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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:26 pm 
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I don't usually post articles like this, but this is so out there I couldn't resist.

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Former Nazi camp guard charged 29,000 times

BERLIN – German prosecutors said Wednesday they have charged retired Ohio auto worker John Demjanjuk with more than 29,000 counts of accessory to murder for his time as a guard at the Nazis' Sobibor death camp, and will seek his extradition from the U.S.

Demjanjuk (dem-YAHN'-yuk) is accused of participating in the murders while he was a guard at the Nazi camp in occupied Poland between March and September 1943.

"In this capacity, he participated in the accessory to murder of at least 29,000 people of the Jewish faith," Munich prosecutors said in a statement.

The 88-year-old Demjanjuk, who lives in a Cleveland suburb, denies involvement.

Demjanjuk's son, John Demjanjuk Jr., said in an e-mailed statement to the AP in Cleveland that his father is suffering from a blood disorder and acute kidney failure, and is not fit for international travel.

"Whatever the Germans decide to do, we will continue to fight for justice in this sad case as there has never been any credible evidence of his personal involvement in even one murder, let alone thousands," Demjanjuk Jr. said. "He has never hurt anyone — before, during or after the war. He is a good person as his family, grandchildren, friends and neighbors have always maintained."

Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter at Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center, said he was "very pleased that the German authorities have taken this step."

"We hope that the process can be expedited to ensure that this Holocaust perpetrator will finally be appropriately punished," Zuroff told the AP in a telephone interview from Jerusalem. "We're on our way to a victory for justice today."

A native of Ukraine, Demjanjuk emigrated to the U.S. in 1952 and gained citizenship in 1958.

In denying involvement in war crimes, he has said he served in the Soviet army and became a prisoner of war when he was captured by Germany in 1942.

Demjanjuk was extradited to Israel in 1986, when the U.S. Justice Department believed he was the sadistic Nazi guard known as Ivan the Terrible from the Treblinka death camp.

He spent seven years in custody before the Israeli high court freed him after receiving evidence that another Ukrainian was that Nazi guard.


Demjanjuk's U.S. citizenship was restored in 1998, but the U.S. Justice Department renewed its case, saying he was another Nazi guard and could be deported for falsifying information on his entry and citizenship applications in the 1950s.

A December 2005 U.S. court ruling determined that he could be deported to his native Ukraine or to Germany or Poland, but Demjanjuk spent several years challenging that ruling.

Last year, the U.S. Supreme Court chose not to consider Demjanjuk's appeal against deportation, clearing the way for the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which oversees cases against former Nazis, to seek his removal from the United States.

But it was unclear which country would take him — his native Ukraine, Poland or Germany.

Now, the Munich prosecutor's office, which is handling the case because Demjanjuk spent time at a refugee camp in the area after the war, said it was working on the extradition request with the German government.

Justice Ministry spokeswoman Eva Schmierer said it was still not clear whether the U.S. would deport Demjanjuk, or whether it would be necessary to formally seek his extradition.

Munich prosecutors credited help from the U.S. Office of Special investigations in clarifying the validity of Nazi-era identity papers in enabling them to file charges against Demjanjuk.

They said Demjanjuk will be formally charged in front of a judge once he is extradited to Germany.


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The dude is 88! :P

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I wonder what evidence they have against him.

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so it dounds like they have no evidence, from the article

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oh, lenny beat me to it

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It seems very strange at first glance.

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dkfan9 wrote:
oh, lenny beat me to it


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aprilfifth wrote:
It seems very strange at first glance.


Yeah, the article really is vague. I mean even if it's bad evidence i'm sure they have something...inaccurate/made up or not

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lennytheweedwhacker wrote:
aprilfifth wrote:
It seems very strange at first glance.


Yeah, the article really is vague. I mean even if it's bad evidence i'm sure they have something...inaccurate/made up or not

From Bloomberg:
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German investigators reviewed an identification card they obtained from the U.S. Office of Special Investigations and concluded it was authentic. Demjanjuk served in Sobibor from March to September 1943, according to Munich prosecutors.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aXxUzqx9roL0
That's still pretty vague, but I guess its something.
From other articles I'm still not sure exactly what they're basing this on.

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god I hope Spielberg makes a movie about this

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Seems to me like the guy is definitely hiding something or lying.

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Buffalohed wrote:
Seems to me like the guy is definitely hiding something or lying.

i don't see where you get this from.. he might be, but i don't see how that's a logical conclusion from the information presented.

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dkfan9 wrote:
Buffalohed wrote:
Seems to me like the guy is definitely hiding something or lying.

i don't see where you get this from.. he might be, but i don't see how that's a logical conclusion from the information presented.


What are you trying to hide, dk?

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McParadigmatWork wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
Buffalohed wrote:
Seems to me like the guy is definitely hiding something or lying.

i don't see where you get this from.. he might be, but i don't see how that's a logical conclusion from the information presented.


What are you trying to hide, dk?

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Cleveland suburb? Holy shit I think me and my friend used to harass this guy when we were like 13. He had a nazi flag outside his house one day, and we started lighting firecrackers and throwing them at his house.

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Jammer91 wrote:
Cleveland suburb? Holy shit I think me and my friend used to harass this guy when we were like 13. He had a nazi flag outside his house one day, and we started lighting firecrackers and throwing them at his house.

you should have just shot him.


away from a school of course.

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Jammer91 wrote:
Cleveland suburb? Holy shit I think me and my friend used to harass this guy when we were like 13. He had a nazi flag outside his house one day, and we started lighting firecrackers and throwing them at his house.


Yah, cause if I was a WW2 war criminal trying to keep a low profile, I would hang a Nazi flag outside my house. It was probably him.

Keep the lulz coming, Jammer.

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Jammer91 wrote:
Cleveland suburb? Holy shit I think me and my friend used to harass this guy when we were like 13. He had a nazi flag outside his house one day, and we started lighting firecrackers and throwing them at his house.


Yah, cause if I was a WW2 war criminal trying to keep a low profile, I would hang a Nazi flag outside my house. It was probably him.

Keep the lulz coming, Jammer.

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I swear, me and my friend threw firecrackers at some nazi's house. Now that I think of it though, there's no way the dude was in his 80s. Must have been a neo nazi douchebag.

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Jammer91 wrote:
I swear, me and my friend threw firecrackers at some nazi's house.


Where did we dispute this part?

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