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Zhang Quan, 70, of Chongqing city can clap his hands almost as loud as the sound of helicopter blades.
Recently his clapping was measured by local environmental protection officials as reaching 107 decibels. This is only slightly less loud than the 110 decibels reached by a helicopter.
“When I am clapping, even my own ears feels painful, no mentioning of others. That’s why I usually don’t clap,” says Zhang.
He has been lucky that he has not been arrested for noise pollution as the officials from the environmental agency say that his clapping violates noise code levels. They advised him not to clap too often.
Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:54 pm
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I bet he caused that recent earthquake in China.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:07 am
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
107dB is not "slightly less" than 110dB. It's actually half as much.
Nice try, though.
How does this work? Can you explain? I'm genuinely curious, coz the numbers don't make sense.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:27 am
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randallanddarcy wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
107dB is not "slightly less" than 110dB. It's actually half as much.
Nice try, though.
How does this work? Can you explain? I'm genuinely curious, coz the numbers don't make sense.
It's the base-10 logarithmic function performed on a ratio and multiplied by a factor of 10.
10^2 = 100, so a ratio of 100 is 20dB, for example. It just so happens that 10^0.3 is about 2, so a ratio of 2 to 1 is 3dB. So if you increase by 3dB, the linear magnitude of your underlying value increase by a factor of 2. It doesn't matter of you go from 14 to 17db, or from 117 to 120. It's still a factor of two. If you actually put it in a spread sheet, you'll find that 10^11 / 10^10.7 = 10^0.3 = 1.995.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:45 am
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
randallanddarcy wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
107dB is not "slightly less" than 110dB. It's actually half as much.
Nice try, though.
How does this work? Can you explain? I'm genuinely curious, coz the numbers don't make sense.
It's the base-10 logarithmic function performed on a ratio and multiplied by a factor of 10.
10^2 = 100, so a ratio of 100 is 20dB, for example. It just so happens that 10^0.3 is about 2, so a ratio of 2 to 1 is 3dB. So if you increase by 3dB, the linear magnitude of your underlying value increase by a factor of 2. It doesn't matter of you go from 14 to 17db, or from 117 to 120. It's still a factor of two. If you actually put it in a spread sheet, you'll find that 10^11 / 10^10.7 = 10^0.3 = 1.995.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:54 pm
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but isn't 107dB clap still loud? anyway, i didn't know that about the vast differences in terms of how the function is set up. also, that sentence is challenging on the brain to some extent.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:35 am
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dkfan9 wrote:
but isn't 107dB clap still loud? anyway, i didn't know that about the vast differences in terms of how the function is set up. also, that sentence is challenging on the brain to some extent.
Don't get me wrong, 107dB is a very loud clap. It's half as loud as a helicopter. I just wouldn't call that almost as loud as a helicopter, and the journalist who wrote this obviously didn't know what decibels are.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:05 am
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
but isn't 107dB clap still loud? anyway, i didn't know that about the vast differences in terms of how the function is set up. also, that sentence is challenging on the brain to some extent.
Don't get me wrong, 107dB is a very loud clap. It's half as loud as a helicopter. I just wouldn't call that almost as loud as a helicopter, and the journalist who wrote this obviously didn't know what decibels are.
And neither do I, despite that brain-melting mathetical nonsense you wrote above (14% on my final high school maths exam, and I still got into nursing!)
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:52 am
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On the other hand, hand claps generally fall well below the 60 dB range. I admit forgetting the average, or anything resembling it, but still.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:21 am
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McParadigmatWork wrote:
On the other hand, hand claps generally fall well below the 60 dB range. I admit forgetting the average, or anything resembling it, but still.
Really? I'd think a normal person can clap in the 80-90dB range if they try. According to Wikipedia, a passenger car from 10m away is 60-80dB, and a good clap should be louder than that. A golf clap could easily be below 60dB though.
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:35 pm
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For a while the Guinness record for clapping was 73 dB.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:30 pm
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McParadigmatWork wrote:
For a while the Guinness record for clapping was 73 dB.
Wikipedia's examples must be off then, because it doesn't seem like a loud clap would be quieter than a car at 10m. I suppose 70-80dB could easily be an overestimate for the car, though.
Also, it appears as if another Chinese guy broke the 73dB record a few years ago and clapped at 97dB.
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Post subject: Re: Man’s Clap as Loud as a Helicopter
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:59 pm
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tree_ wrote:
“When I am clapping, even my own ears feels painful, no mentioning of others. That’s why I usually don’t clap,” says Zhang.
Why doesn't he just clap more softly?
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