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 Post subject: Northern Ireland: Two Soldiers Dead
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Just when you thought it was going so well. I feel really disillusioned by this. This only going to get the Loyalists going again and it will spiral from there.


Nothing from Sinn Fein yet... What cunts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7930837.stm

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Two military personnel have been shot dead during a gun attack at an Army base in County Antrim, police said.

The Police Service of Northern Ireland said two further military personnel and two civilians, all believed to be male, were were in a serious condition. The incident took place at the Massereene Army base in Antrim, 16 miles north of Belfast, at 2140 GMT. Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward condemned the shootings as "an act of criminal barbarism". He added: "My thoughts are with the families of those killed and injured in this murderous attack. "The contrast between those who serve the community and those who would destroy it could not be clearer. The people who did this will be pursued and they will never stop the political process in Northern Ireland." A spokesperson for the Ministry of Defence described the incident as a "drive-by" shooting.

'Loud bangs'

The four injured men have all been taken to Antrim Area Hospital, about a mile away from the scene. It is believed that there were two long busts of gunfire during the incident. A major security operation is under way and the area surrounding the barracks, which is home to 38 Engineering Regiment, has been sealed off. Eyewitness reports have suggested that the attackers approached the barracks in a pizza delivery van, and the victims walked into the ambush believing a fast food delivery was arriving. One witness who lives near the base told the BBC how he looked to the sky after hearing what he thought were fireworks. He added: "Then I heard a lot of loud bangs again, only it was a lot more than there was initially - maybe between 10 and 20. "Then the siren at the Army barracks went off. Then all you heard was the police sirens and ambulances and there was at least six ambulances. "There was definitely six of the ambulances and God knows how many police cars - they just came out of the police station one after the other." In a statement, Downing Street said everything possible would be done to ensure those responsible would be brought to justice. "This is a terrible incident that we utterly condemn and the prime minister's thoughts, first and foremost, are with the families of those killed and with those seriously injured in this attack," it continued. Northern Ireland's First Minister and Democratic Unionist Party leader Peter Robinson offered his sympathies to the families of the victims, and said he would postpone a scheduled trip to the United States. Mr Robinson said the attack was "terrible reminder of the events of the past". He added: "These murders were a futile act by those who command no public support and have no prospect of success in their campaign. It will not succeed." Ian Paisley Jnr, a DUP member of the Northern Ireland Assembly and the Policing Board, said the shooting could prove to be a defining moment in Northern Ireland's history. He said: "For the last 10 years, people believed things like this happened in foreign countries, places like Basra. Unfortunately it has returned to our doorstep." The leader of the nationalist SDLP, Mark Durkan, condemned the "murderous" attacks. "Those who committed it are steeped in the mindset and means of past violence," he added. "They need to understand this is not an attack on British army but the Irish people who have voted for and value above all else peaceful politics and democratic accommodation." David Ford, the leader of the Alliance Party, said it was "inconceivable" that the attack could have been carried out by anyone other than dissident republicans. "The important thing is that we must not see politics and the peace settlement that we have, fragile though it is, destabilised by this kind of action," he added. No-one has so far claimed responsibility. The attack comes shortly after Sir Hugh Orde, the chief constable of the Police Service of Northern Ireland, requested the Special Reconnaissance Regiment's help to gather intelligence on dissident republicans. Mr Robinson said the Massereene attack vindicated his decision, which had been criticised by Sinn Fein. In 2008, dissident republicans attempted to kill PSNI officers during separate incidents in Derry City and Dungannon, Co Tyrone. Security forces defused a 300lb (136kg) bomb in Castlewellan, Co Down, close to a barracks in February 2009.

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oh shit

he introduced me to Father Ted

lemme wave his flag

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So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...

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spaggy boy wrote:
So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...
It's not that no one cares. We're just waiting to see if there's retaliation and/or if this escalates. I'm kind of hoping that both sides are a little smarter than those in charge of the Isreal/Palenstine situation are.


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Excellent Statement from Sinn Fein.


"Last night's attack was an attack on the peace process. It was wrong and counter productive.

"Those responsible have no support, no strategy to achieve a United Ireland. Their intention is to bring British soldiers back onto the streets. They want to destroy the progress of recent times and to plunge Ireland back into conflict.

"Irish republicans and democrats have a duty to oppose this and to defend the peace process. Sinn Fein has a strategy to bring about an end to British rule in our country by peaceful and democratic means.

"There should be an end to actions like the one in Antrim last night. The popular will is for peaceful and democratic change.



"Sinn Fein has a responsibility to be consistent. The logic of this is that we support the police in the apprehension of those involved in last night's attack.

"The police also have a responsibility to give leadership and to behave at all times in a transparent and accountable manner. The British Government has a duty to uphold the new political arrangement and the peace process.

"I particularly want to appeal to republicans once again for calm, thoughtful and decisive leadership.

"The peace process was built against the odds and not least because of the willingness of republicans to take risks and to be strategic and long sighted.

"There are elements within Unionism and within the British system who do not want the peace process to achieve its objectives. Our responsibility is to defend the peace process and the progress that has been made to achieving national and democratic rights.

"We will not be deflected from our republican and democratic objectives."

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The BBC News web site is telling that the "REal IRA" was behind the attack. I dont know what to make of it. I hope that the peace process is still alive and well, the Sinn Fein reaction seems to indicate that.

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So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...



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broken iris wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...



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Seriously.

You post the thread on Saturday night and expect replies by Sunday morning?

Still, I see nothing to reply to. Do you have anything to say about the rockets Hamas has been firing at Israel over the past week?

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spaggy boy wrote:
So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...


I think there are a lot of Irish Americans that would disagree with this statement. I suppose though, all we can do is wait and watch and hope things don't spin out of control.

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Still, I see nothing to reply to.


And yet you replied.

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px wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...


I think there are a lot of Irish Americans that would disagree with this statement. I suppose though, all we can do is wait and watch and hope things don't spin out of control.


Yeah the same Irish Americans who funded the IRA for 30 years... Still if it weren't for that we'd have no idea how to deal with terrorism, so thanks chaps!

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See, that's my point. If Bin Laden's boys killed two US servicemen we wouldn't see such flippancy.

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Excellent Statement from Sinn Fein.


"Last night's attack was an attack on the peace process. It was wrong and counter productive.

"Those responsible have no support, no strategy to achieve a United Ireland. Their intention is to bring British soldiers back onto the streets. They want to destroy the progress of recent times and to plunge Ireland back into conflict.

"Irish republicans and democrats have a duty to oppose this and to defend the peace process. Sinn Fein has a strategy to bring about an end to British rule in our country by peaceful and democratic means.

"There should be an end to actions like the one in Antrim last night. The popular will is for peaceful and democratic change.



"Sinn Fein has a responsibility to be consistent. The logic of this is that we support the police in the apprehension of those involved in last night's attack.

"The police also have a responsibility to give leadership and to behave at all times in a transparent and accountable manner. The British Government has a duty to uphold the new political arrangement and the peace process.

"I particularly want to appeal to republicans once again for calm, thoughtful and decisive leadership.

"The peace process was built against the odds and not least because of the willingness of republicans to take risks and to be strategic and long sighted.

"There are elements within Unionism and within the British system who do not want the peace process to achieve its objectives. Our responsibility is to defend the peace process and the progress that has been made to achieving national and democratic rights.

"We will not be deflected from our republican and democratic objectives."


Fair play to them, I suppose we're all just waiting to see what the Loyalists do now.

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The notoriety of this is more akin to Basque seperatists blowing something up than an Al Qaeda attack in the US, but I guarantee you it gets more press than another two Americans dying in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Unless we are supplying one of your factions with firearms, of what significance is U.S. sentiment?


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spaggy boy wrote:
px wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
So I guess no one cares. Sorry I forgot, it's got nothing to do with the US...


I think there are a lot of Irish Americans that would disagree with this statement. I suppose though, all we can do is wait and watch and hope things don't spin out of control.


Yeah the same Irish Americans who funded the IRA for 30 years... Still if it weren't for that we'd have no idea how to deal with terrorism, so thanks chaps!


Whoa now. You wait a minute. If you think ALL Irish Americans helped fund the IRA for 30 years, then you're a ridiculous drunk.
Have a nice potato. :)

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The notoriety of this is more akin to Basque seperatists blowing something up than an Al Qaeda attack in the US, but I guarantee you it gets more press than another two Americans dying in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Unless we are supplying one of your factions with firearms, of what significance is U.S. sentiment?


Yeah, exactly.

And why cry about getting no response from the board, because "it's got nothing to do with the US?"

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Yeah the same Irish Americans who funded the IRA for 30 years... Still if it weren't for that we'd have no idea how to deal with terrorism, so thanks chaps!



Spaggy..wanna be a fuckin tool about it? I'm gonna meet you on your low brow bastard level...watch this..how about if those two lads were back where they belonged in their own country and not an invading force in an Independent fucking country and safe and sound with their families?? It's assholes like YOU with that fucking shitty fucking English bastard fucking attitude that perpetuate this stuff. It's COMPLETELY unneccessary and tragic and we all know those lads parents would rather they have been at home but comments like that are beyond stupid.
You're showing your typical english unfathomable ignorance with that and made a cunt outta me by getting me to respond. Wanna be a cunt? Eight centuries of rape, murder, genocide and a 2 story tall statue of a man outside your parliament who puts Hitler & the Holocaust in the shade in comparison to what you cunts did here..You got some role model and shits like you do a great job of living up to it.
We'll never forget....go and fucking read about it.

God Bless those lads and their families, but it's thick English cunts like you and your ignorant ill informed fucking nonsense that keep this shit going.
Scum did this. Scum. But at least get fucking informed before you do your Roy Chubby Brown ignorant cunt bit.

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And by the way, your government STILL has no idea how to deal with terrorism. Canary wharf bomb? £500 (including van rental) Result? £1 billion in damages. It's not right but don't make typical Brit bullshit statements like that without at least reading up on the shit beforehand. They didn't/don't know how to deal with it, they caved in 'cos they'd no fucking choice.

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"They need to understand this is not an attack on British army but the Irish people who have voted for and value above all else peaceful politics and democratic accommodation."


Hey dimejinky, what's the general sentiment about this guy David Ford?

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Honestly fella, I've never heard of him! but generally the whole thing is so low key now? they're just getting on with it up there & it seems to be working out. They're MLA's aren't on TV here anymore 'cos they're just getting on with it...I remember a time Gerry Adams was overdubbed on British TV! It's fuckin disgusting and tragic this happened not only for those families but for Northern Ireland both sides.
Ignorance like that guys doesnt help anything, nor does my response but Jesus you wanna smack 'em when they come out with this shit.

I'm sorry to RM for going off on one.

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