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 Post subject: Re: America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:54 pm 
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crime here (equating to gun crime in the US) happens with needles mostly, and the minister for justice introduced a measure a few years ago whereby anyone holdig a syringe, to another person, automatically gets 30 years in prison. No deaths, nothing. Why arent these measures in place? I'm not getting why they can't be taken out. Sorry. This freaked me out. She shot her son in the head!

here, he'd have been fucked outta the house(if he was misbehaving) and sent on his way..no weaponry required..maybe I live in a more relaxed place but this was bizarre in the extreme.

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crime here (equating to gun crime in the US) happens with needles mostly, and the minister for justice introduced a measure a few years ago whereby anyone holdig a syringe, to another person, automatically gets 30 years in prison. No deaths, nothing. Why arent these measures in place? I'm not getting why they can't be taken out. Sorry. This freaked me out. She shot her son in the head!

here, he'd have been fucked outta the house(if he was misbehaving) and sent on his way..no weaponry required..maybe I live in a more relaxed place but this was bizarre in the extreme.

do you really think she killed him for misbehaving? guns or no guns, that lady was crazy

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warehouse, thanks for your 'input'..i'm just asking why is it necessary??
i get you don't have the faculties to answer, or the wherewithall to understand the question even, but it wasn't an insulting question, and I get why you interpreted it that way..i'm just asking why can't they be taken out?
step off if you can't offer some insight and oly want to start insulting people.

ok ill stop being an ass

i have friends who hunt. they are completely responsible with their guns and only use them to hunt.

a buddy of mine has a 1 year old and lives with his mother in law. he bought a gun for protection. its in a safe in his room and i'm pretty sure the only time he's shot it is at a driving range.

are you gonna tell me my friends dont have a right to own guns b/c some whacko lady killed her son? and these examples are just from the world of warehouse.

i'm kinda conflicted on regulating guns though. philly has been trying to pass gun laws but have had problems from the state gov't. the people in central PA who hunt don't want more restritictions on guns, which is understandable. at the same time, people in philly are seeing shootings everyday and think the city should have a right to pass stronger gun laws, which is also understandable. but the city doesnt have the authority to do so.either way i dont think getting rid of guns would do any good.



Cool..thanks for the answer and I appreciate the reasoning, but are not the majority of the gun lobby living in the country? rurally? and all these crazy events, are they not happening in the cities? so i don't see how it affects them. Are ye waiting on the crazy ghetto folk to come over the hill?

it's a weird one and I'm with ye, personal freedom and protections are important, but when things like this happen it becomes clear that as a factor if the weaponry were removed, these incidents would fall off the scale completely. There just isnt a need for it I don't think.

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do you really think she killed him for misbehaving? guns or no guns, that lady was crazy


do you not think had she not been able to rent the gun(nevermind having been barred from the range before) this would have happened??

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i think she would have at least try to kill the kid no matter what. thats why i said it doesnt matter if she had a gun, that lady was crazy. if we didnt have guns she would have stabbed him or thrown him off a cliff or tried to poison him or pretty much anything else.

glad you can see its a pretty complicated thing though. i dont own a gun, but i see the reasoning behind owning one for some people

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that news was shocking to see, about the Mom i mean..but when it's from the US, you dont blink even? it's :roll: like, 'when will they learn?'

It was my understanding that one is allowed to own a handgun in Britain, but not possess it in their homes. So for example, it can be kept AT a gun club for use only on the range at that gun club.

So couldn't the video you posted have JUST AS EASILY occurred in Britain?

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sorry..buffalohead... thanks for your 'input'..i'm just asking why is it necessary??
i get you don't have the faculties to answer, or the wherewithall to understand the question even, but it wasn't an insulting question, and I get why you interpreted it that way..i'm just asking why can't they be taken out?
step off if you can't offer some insight and only want to start insulting people.

Because your argument consists of "if there isn't an explicit reason why we need a certain right, we shouldn't have that right". Such a stupid argument isn't even worth the time it took me to type this.

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PMA- thanks, at least that approaches an answer to my question. But just cos people might want a gun, doesnt mean theyll go get one and carry out whatever it is. It's undeniable, the availability of weaponry in the US today aided that woman in shooting her son. Was she right? so with that in mind, what you're saying is, wackjobs right to buy guns should be enshrined and protected and shouldn't be taken away from them? I hope not.

not at all, but where does it end? do we give out psychiatric evaluations before selling guns? (actually that's not a bad idea) but even then, everyone has impulses that make them do something that they wouldnt normally do from time to time because of a heightened emotional state (although for most people it's something a whole, whole lot smaller such as "telling someone off" or flying off the handle and yelling at someone). plus, sometimes someone appears very normal and then one day something snaps inside of them and they go to work and shoot up the place. do we check in with people every few years and make sure everything is okay? you can't outright ban guns in and of themselves...do you collect all the guns everyone already has registered? and even then, what about the people who own unregistered guns? chances are those that do are more likely to commit crimes than those who purchased guns "legitimately", you know? and so at that point, the ones most likely to commit crimes will have guns while everyday citizens will not. will this not create a rise in armed robbery?

i dont know, i dont have a solution, but i dont think an outright ban will solve anything

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its in a safe in his room and i'm pretty sure the only time he's shot it is at a driving range.


Shooting guns at a driving range doesn't seem like it would be safe at all!

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its in a safe in his room and i'm pretty sure the only time he's shot it is at a driving range.


Shooting guns at a driving range doesn't seem like it would be safe at all!

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Actually, this is one reason, and probably the primary reason that I own a gun. If someone tries harming me, or my family, I'm not held hostage by the response time of the local PD. I take care of the problem myself.

Dimejinky, let me ask you a question. If there were no guns on earth, do you think this woman wouldn't have killed her son anyway?

You comment about these events happening only in rural areas, well that's false. Binghamtom is a good sized city, there was an incident in Pittsburg where a neo-Nazi killed his mom and bunch of cops. It doesn't matter where you go.

This problem, in a way, is a largely American problem. I say that in a sense that it happens across many sectors of our society. Places like Caracas and Mexico City have way more gun violence, way more murders (more people were murdered in Caracas than Baghdad), but it's generally isolated within gang infested areas. There are psychos all over the place.

Pretending like America is the only place that values guns is also naive. Canada has tons of guns, perhaps more guns per capita than America, but they don't face a problem with gun crime. Ownership of assault rifles is compulsory in Switzerland for any house with a fighting aged male. Yet, they don't have any problems with guns either, they treasure them, and will never give them it. It is engrained in their culture as much as it is in ours.

So why are we against giving them up? Because it's one thing that stands in my way of government cronies forcing me to spend volunteer service time to my country. It stands in the way of the government seizing my land, or my hard earned posessions. It stands in the way of tyranny enveloping this nation. And at the rate we're going with Obama, who knows what's possible within the next twenty years.

A primary reason to hold onto guns is that when guns become illegal, only law breakers will have guns. Most people who commit gun crimes in this country do so with illegally possessed firearms any way. That's why I have a sidearm that I conceal, an AR-15, a lever action .300, and a shotgun. And that's why almost everyone in this country that carries concealed, carries concealed. Citizens in this country use their firearms to put a stop to ongoing crimes HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of times a year. Crimes that would otherwise take place if the citizenry were supposed to wait on the cops.

Our culture, our society is royally fucked up for tons of reasons. Many people here have no respect for other people...at all. That is why we have these tragedies in America. You could prevent a lot of this crap if everyone carried a gun though. The VT massacre, the massacre in Binghamton, that mom could have shot her neo-nazi son, etc, etc.

If you take away guns, or limit them like you do in Ireland or the UK, you only see events like these increase in their MAGNITUDE. They may not increase in frequency, but they will become worse.

If only the bad people in this country have guns...then rest of us law abiding citizens will be fucked and held hostage by those who have no regard for the law or for the rest of society.

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I think if we could push a magic button and there be no more guns on earth most people would say to push the button. But that's not the case. The practicality of outlawing guns is simply not there. And enforcement...well short of stripping people of all their basic civil liberties, enforcement would be impossible. And that's among law-abiding citizens. I'm thinking it would be even more unlikely to get criminals to part with their weapons, thus leaving the law-abiding citizen more unsafe than at the beginning of the process. I understand the emotions behind wanting guns outlawed, but the real world application is simply not there.

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well i read this quote:

people want drugs. people don't want guns.

WHAT?

lol, i don't know if you're familiar with the psyche of the residents of the midwest, the deep south, and inner cities, but i think you're pretty fuckin far off on that one there.

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Pretending like America is the only place that values guns is also naive. Canada has tons of guns, perhaps more guns per capita than America, but they don't face a problem with gun crime. Ownership of assault rifles is compulsory in Switzerland for any house with a fighting aged male. Yet, they don't have any problems with guns either, they treasure them, and will never give them it. It is engrained in their culture as much as it is in ours.


you're right, canada has a lot of guns. but there is nothing like the controversy over guns that there is in the states. there isn't the NRA fighting against bans on assault weapons. or the huge media circus involving gun issues. sure there are people fighting against the gun registry here but that is mostly rural conservative folks that are largely outnumbered by the rest of the population.


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Because we don't want to be terrorized by wiggers with speech impediments like people in the UK are.

Also, will I get banned if I post the unedited video? I found it on Ogrish.

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Because we don't want to be terrorized by wiggers with speech impediments like people in the UK are.

Also, will I get banned if I post the unedited video? I found it on Ogrish.

if anything, post a link(not embedded), and in BIG, BOLD, put NSFW, something of a description of what it is, etc

if you get banned after that, that's retarded. everyone had the choice at that point.

but i'm not legal advice over here so don't take my word for it.

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dkfan9 wrote:
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Because we don't want to be terrorized by wiggers with speech impediments like people in the UK are.

Also, will I get banned if I post the unedited video? I found it on Ogrish.

if anything, post a link(not embedded), and in BIG, BOLD, put NSFW, something of a description of what it is, etc

if you get banned after that, that's retarded. everyone had the choice at that point.

but i'm not legal advice over here so don't take my word for it.


Hmmm

Go for it people:

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its in a safe in his room and i'm pretty sure the only time he's shot it is at a driving range.


Shooting guns at a driving range doesn't seem like it would be safe at all!

:haha:

well the driving range is in camden, nj

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that news was shocking to see, about the Mom i mean..but when it's from the US, you dont blink even? it's :roll: like, 'when will they learn?'

It was my understanding that one is allowed to own a handgun in Britain, but not possess it in their homes. So for example, it can be kept AT a gun club for use only on the range at that gun club.

So couldn't the video you posted have JUST AS EASILY occurred in Britain?



gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, but, I don't live in Britain and no, that is not the case in Britain either.

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