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Aint sodomy anal sex?

the 1800s: the era from which we should derive our value system

i just read those first two paragraphs but just seeing the title of the article was worth it

it's any non-vaginal penetration if im not mistaken
or a crime against nature i guess

So basically, it's just as likely for an mf couple to do the 1st part as a mm or ff couple, and the 2nd part is subjective anyway.

Even the bible couldn't prove the authors point

yeah i'm sure the palin family has engaged in their fair share of sodomy

Remarkable how the Republicans have such a crusade against homosexuality.

Be prepared for a huge read, because I am about to list EVERY SINGLE VERSE that discusses homosexual behavior in Christianity, followed by a thorough exhaustion of these verses via exegesis of the Biblical text with the assumption of Christianity's truth FSOA.

Verses: (1) Leveticus 18:22 (echoed in 20:13); (2) Ezekiel 16:43; (3) Romans 1:24-27; (4) 1 Corinthians 6:9.

Exegesis: The Leviticus verses are given by God to the Israelites for the purpose, in context of the Biblical text surrounding these ordinances, of (a) keeping them alive (18:5) and (b) distinguishing in a special manner those chosen of God (end of 18). Homosexuality is mentioned in passing in a long list of specific family members with whom the men (and, as per Jewish custom, the analogous members relational to women) were not to sleep. Remember, this writing was done at a time in which every last culture on Earth was to some degree barbaric and base; Israel was chosen as the tribe which would contain maximal members of faith for the Lord to both sustain the bloodline for the Christ and carry on the Lord's prophetic traditions for the Christ in a reverent and hopeful manner despite their knowing they would never see the fruits (see Hebrews 11).

Homosexuality, in this context, seems to fill in a loophole that barbaric sex-hungry folk would fill, since it may have seemed that the commandment on adultery would only include those of the opposite sex. So the Lord clarified that adultery included immoral same-sex practices, as well as any practice whatsoever with an animal, as can be found in the subsequent verse. That these were not real problems amongst the Jews is apparent, since the lone mention of punishment for homosexuality is given in the case against Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen 19) for which the Ezekial verse (2) levies homosexuality as one specific charge. Given that the term used here is actually a term meaning rampant sodomy, and given the other behaviors apparent from the story, the buttsegz was a very obvious symbol of a depravity much deeper and problems much worse than that.

Likewise, the Romans 1 and 1 Cor. 6 verses have Paul addressing the respective churches in Rome and Corinth. In both verses, Paul is describing the moral depravity that the pagans of Rome practiced - go rent Caligula and take a look at all the gay, lesbian, and straight open-street prostitution sex that went on freely everywhere; that might not have been the best movie ever, but this depiction is really fucking accurate. That's what Paul had to deal with especially in the case of the church in Corinth, in which sodomy is one of many issues; in Romans, the pagans are engaging in similar immoral practices without reservations, so much so that God just said "fuck it, I can punish them to My wit's end and they won't turn, so they can go ahead and seal their own fate." Paul analogously all but throws his hands up in the air in surrender at the rampant Pagan remnants his church is still dabbling in.

Certainly, this would be applicable today, for both male and female gays. Exegete with Romans 1 for an establishment of the wrongness of wanton lesbian sex; note importantly that the specifics of this sex, unlike for male gay sex, is not specified here, meaning that Paul is addressing the adulterous immorality precedent to the homosexual nature of the act; we conclude that the adulterous intention is what is the sin here, not the nature of sex, even for male homosexuals (for which there was no other Greek descriptor apart from the word for sodomy). The same-sex specifics are highlighted only because Paul is specifying the common Pagan practices here, not homosexuality qua homosexuality.

That's it. That's all. Not a word about the sanctity of marriage being damaged; not a whit on civil unions; not a smudge on homosexual feelings being actualized in every way but sodomy when it has the prime opportunity to do so - so that even if you are fundie you still have to concede it ain't sin if you don't stick it in.

That's the entire, exhaustive wealth of the biggest crusade of Conservative Christians next to creationism and abortion. That's it.

Conservative Christians care more for pushing their internal phobias than they do for their own Lord and Savior, since I haven't yet seen an act prohibiting atheist marriages to keep marriage amongst believers clean.

Conservatism died with Goldwater and its zombie of a rotten corpse will destroy this country. Those of you who embrace the ignorance of Limbaugh, Beck, Palin - deserve it. Fuck you with every inch of malice that statement implies, and if you continue to push your morality into the government norms, you will pay.

Do you think that we'll be seeing a moral crusade against shellfish eating, too?

Good post Anon. The thing that has always pissed me off against "Biblical" crusades against homosexuality is how transparently hypocritical they are. In several of the scriptures you mentioned, the homosexual act is listed right alongside good ol' regular fornication and adultery, not to mention a host of other sins in 1 Corinthians. I suppose the good Evangelical folks realize that a witch hunt against straight people fornication wouldn't be too popular and would lead them to fight against 90% of their flock. Homosexuality isn't labeled as a "worse" sin than fornication, but I suppose its an easier one to unite their masses under one banner and fight an "enemy" that isn't (openly) prevalent in their ranks.

1 + 1 = 2

Wait, Brad is in rehab?

I never realized Michelle was that tiny.

Funny for more reasons than that.

Isn't homo a Latin root?

And puke was not in any dictionaries prior to something like 1910 because it was considered inappropriate to include it in a book that children might read.