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Florida GOP: Keep Obama Out of Our Schools!
Eric Kleefeld | September 2, 2009, 2:53PM


I just spoke with Florida Republican Party press secretary Katie Gordon, regarding state party chairman Jim Greer's denunciation of President Obama's upcoming national address to schoolchildren on Tuesday. Gordon stood by the party's press release -- and said that children should not be subjected to what she said is a clear attempt at political indoctrination by the Obama administration. Indeed, she said parents should be able to opt-out their kids from the speech.

The Department of Education's press release says about the address: "The President will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."

But Gordon says there's a lot to be worried about. "I think that's certainly the concern, is that we don't know what this speech is about," said Gordon. "There's no advanced copy being given to parents, teachers or principals. I think that's certainly our concern, because if you look at the teaching tools that are being provided, it's certainly extremely biased."

Gordon directed me to the official teaching materials that the Department of Education has posted. Gordon especially took exception to this part of the materials: "Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals." I pointed out that this item came from a list of bullet points headed "Extension of the Speech," which clearly means it's in the context of the speech on personal responsibility and academic goals.

But Gordon begged to differ. "Why are you willing to accept that in good faith, the Obama administration is asking them to write a letter in the context of the speech," said Gordon, "but you're not willing to accept in our release, where we're saying there's no guidelines that it has to be in the context of the speech?"

"We would certainly support teaching our children to respect the President of the United States in his capacity as the leader of the country," Gordon added. "That is different from writing letters to themselves about what they can do to help the President, which is one of the many things stated in this teaching guide."

Gordon also pointed to this question from the materials: "What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?" "So clearly, the President is challenging students to be talking bout new ideas," Gordon said. "Well maybe the President's new ideas don't reflect the values that parents will be teaching their children."

"Our point is that there are some questions about this address that need to be answered, and parents need to be given the option to choose whether or not their children who are students are going to be expected to watch this propaganda in a public school," Gordon later explained. "Students can't pray in school, but they can discuss new ideas and actions that the President is challenging them to think about. Well, I know that a lot of the President's ideas don't reflect my values and don't reflect the values that I would be teaching my children. And to be quite honest, there are a lot of the President's ideas that I wouldn't want my children discussing in a public school. It's not appropriate, the place for that is in the home."

I asked Gordon how this is any different from presidents routinely visiting classrooms, or the President's Challenge in gym classes (which I certainly hated, being the non-athletic nerd that I am). "This is different than trying to make sure that you have a good level of physical fitness," she said. "It would be a different if President Obama were going into a particular classroom on the first day of school and encouraging students to work hard and achieve academic goals. It's diff from sending out a blanket set of guidelines for a specific address that is supposed to be shown in every school, talking about how you can help the President advance his new ideas."

In follow-up e-mails, I asked Gordon how she would reply to people who see this as a tin-foil hat, conspiracy theorist sort of thing. "I would ask them what their response would have been if these same materials had come from the Bush Administration," Gordon said. "The people saying this is a scare tactic are the same people who accuse the voters at health care town halls of being rabid right-wing extremists. This is an abuse of power and an attempt by the Obama Administration to indoctrinate young Americans into supporting his socialist agenda. Parents should be extremely concerned."

I also asked Gordon about an Internet campaign that has risen up, encouraging students to skip school on Tuesday. Does she support students skipping school, or walking out of the address or the activities? Gordon replied: "That decision is up to the parents, not the RPOF."

That's some shit right there. No wonder they don't want evolution in the schools. Those damn propaganda-pushing, mind-washing scientists ... don't expose my kids anything I disagree with!

Ok great. Do either of you two geniuses know how Obama plans to fund the "public" option?

Stay on Target, I mean topic.

Stupid denunciation for a stupid assignment. Assignment does nothing to foster analytical or critical thinking. I am quite sure that if this were Bush doing the same thing that some on the left would not approve. Things like this never change.

Oh come on. Nobody will touch this one in the health care thread.
Give it a shot.

Hmmm. I'll say from a huge pot of money collected in taxes from the American people. Am I right?

Now we're gettin' somewhere!

Are these new taxes or existing ones?

How long has this water molecule been in the swimming pool?

1) i already posted what the bill says.
2) granted i've only read 1 bill, but Barry hasn't even decided which bill he's going to endorse.
3) so nobody knows the answer b/c barry hasn't endorsed one.

as for this topic, i think this country is ready to explode... seriously, people in this nation are fuckin' crazy.

So let me sum up the typical supporter of the "public" option.
He, like the rest of us, realizes that the cost of a "public" option will be funded through new taxes.
He can't say what these new taxes might be, because the President can't say either.
He probably doesn't care where these taxes come from.
He, most likely, has bought into Obama's ridiculous cost estimates regarding a "public" option.
He, like many of his fellow democrats, is none too concerned about the potentially serious (catastrophic?) long-term fiscal consequences of such a program.

He just wants it implemented because "it's the right thing to do".

i know it kind of blows all your posts about this subject out of the water, but i've provided the info from the 1 bill i've read:

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

what does the GOP have in mind for reform? any ideas?

As you've already stated, this is one version, I've heard so many possible "funding" options I've lost track. Of course all of these assume that the administration's assertions on cost are correct, which of course the CBO already blew out of the water.

Certainly there are GOP ideas floating around in congress, my guess is you haven't researched it at all. As my dear friend glorified_version will tell you, I'm not a Republican apologist, however even if you believe that the GOP has no credible alternatives, it doesn't make Obama's plan any more or less valid. Unfortunately, there's a lot of bad math in the parts of the plan he's been willing to disclose.

She's pretty much right. Education is unique to the democratic party, after all.

New ideas are the worst.

You're moving the goalposts in regards to the answer you're looking for. You asked a question, and people responded. I think maybe those answers should be responded to, instead of brushing it off by saying there are many "funding" options. I wonder if any answer would be satisfactory to you, and if not, I'd wonder why you bothered asking the question.

Um, no. The president is giving a national address. The only difference is, nobody even winked an eye when Bush gave 'em because they sucked so bad.

I you, pd. I you.

i thought/think that's the best part of this thread.