well this is something i have thoughtof and only shared with a few...consider yourselves lucky.

Every religion has God, not a specific God..im speaking islam judaism christianity... muslims worship the same God as christians its just the sub plots are altered. Mo is a prophet and Jesus is a prophet, in christianity, jesus is god in the flesh and i dont even think they acknowledge Mo. Even in judaism, they believe in god, just that he hasnt come back in the flesh. BUT what if they were all true. Its like 3 different ways to solve a math problem. Echelon, substitution, and elimination, matrices.....they are there becasue somepeople find it easier to do one over the other. What if God instilled in us these different beliefs in an attempt to unite. Seeing as how the ocmmon denominator is God, the same God it would make sense. And now i here christians say, you dont believe in God becasue its the free will he gave us....well what if the free will he gave us corrupted the religion as a whole, meaning the religion that has been taught through the years it false. What if the original prophets themselves corrupted this to see who could have the most power and create the largest following. Prophets are normal people who can relay the message of God so they would also be subject to temptations and free will. Perhaps they each took 1/3 of what God intented and kpt it seperate instead of uniting it....meaning all religion up to this point has been taught the wrong way. I always like thinking of things like this, lemme know if you guys have anything similar.

That doesn't sound very agnostic to me, but you do raise some interesting points, most of which are the basis for my disaffection with organized religion. Beliefs are human traits, and as history has shown, humans are quite silly and self serving. To take the Bible, Koran, etc as the word of God verbatim, is a mistake, but all are well meaning and good intentioned. People need to realize that the Bible is a 2000 year old story book, written BY people, and therefore is subject to that persons interpretation of events. Well meaning but should not be taken as the absolute truth.

its only agnostic because i dont know, im just kinda wondering and things like that. Thats my main point is that man has been in control for the better part of 2000 years, which entails the corrupt things that you say. Im sure galilea or copernicus shouldnt have been thought of as commiting heresy, that doesnt sound very biblical for mapping the stars. But the books were interperated and thats how they were preached. I think its too bad that people that believe in religions dont allow themselves to approach things and examine them. I %110 respect their decision, but like you said, they read and accept never question, wonder or anything. Wheni speak to christian friends i say well you do know (my friend Mo is muslim) Mo worships the same God...and they always say, but babe, dont you know jesus is god.....ahhh!!!!!!! Like they will not allow themselves to even acknowlege that other religions exist, its like they are brainwashed. Whatever gets them through life i guess, and for the most part, the devout religious people have positive influences on society, but there are some cases where it is not so.

I'm agnostic too, mostly because of evolution theories and the gift of life.

-Sunny

didn't you know? Adam walked with the dinosaurs!

http://www.red-mosquito.de/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6495&highlight=dinosaur

I want to go to that museum SO BADLY!!! Oh well, I'm certain I would be thrown out.

it'd be a fun place to wreak some havoc!

that didn't sound very agnostic....

i don't really think about religion. i believe what i believe and that's about it.

This is why I gave up on church.

Really? Cuz this is why I gave up on this thread.

*Sizzle*

Is that a slam on me or on this thread?

dude, why would I slam on you? This thread on the other hand deserves to be shot.

The Vedas are the very oldest and original books about God known to man. People try to make the argument that the Vedas preach polytheism but that isn't actually the case. What they say in reality, in a nutshell is this; worship demigods if you want worldly things and want to have a comfortable material life this time around. Worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead if you want to reach liberation and escape this hellish material life. The Jewish religion / Islamic / Christian could not have existed without this original Vedic religion. All the monotheistic religions of the world are trying to teach God consciousness. But because some got so laxed over time things got horribly corrupted (ie. the Christian crusades or our modern day "Islamic" terrorist waging holy war.) This is why the Vaishnava(Worship of Visnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead) has had a very strict line of Archayas (the highest teacher alive at one time to preach the Vedas.) So by this logic we have to sit down for thousands of hours reading tons of verses about how to please demigods and whatnot by reading the Vedas word for word? no, because Krishna came 5000 years ago and on an ancient Indian battlefield he spoke Bhagavad-Gita with is the true essence of the Vedas as spoken by the Supreme Personality Himself. The ideal preacher of the Krishna Consciousness movement is Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu (Krishna as a devotee of Himself.) After the disappearance of Lord Caitanya there were 6 Gosvamis who followed. They themselves wrote things on the proper ways to follow Krishna consciousness, God consciousness. They are authorized pure souls, the highest of gurus on earth. The last living Acarya was His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who started the International Society For Krishna Consciousness in the 70's in America. But the point of all this is that all bona fide religions are monotheistic and worship the One God.

Be a pagan like me. Its fun. You just love earth and try your best to get everyone to get along each other and live the best they can. You can celebrate all the same holidays, because they were pagan first. You know, Easter, Halloween, Christmas (Yule), even Groundhog Day (pagans call it Imbolc) which celebrates the middle of winter. I'm going to celebrate by running out of my house naked and if its too cold, I'll declare that winter in New England will suck for another six weeks.

What are you Asatru or something fluff?

Boy, what'n da heyl yoo talk'n bout?

When you say you're pagan, do you follow the old ways of Norse Heathenry, or some general thing that mix-matches all European Heathenry together and distorts what it ever was?

I'm going with the latter.

I highly recommend being a disenfranchised Christian. Then you can tell self-righteous Christians that you are a Christian, and you can tell the people you really care about how much you hate Christians.