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My sister recently volunteered to help with his campaign and said that was the talk of campaign organizers. He hasn't officially said he'd run, I'm sure. I think he'd have a pretty good shot if he did.
I volunteered with his campaign this year and while i think he is very capable, i agree that we need to know what he can do in the Senate first. Which may be tough with the comanding Republican majority.
ah yes, about obama, i'd say it would be a great move if he is the democratic candidate in '08.
Hillary's thinking about running too. I'd rather see Obama get the nomination.
Agreed. There's no more polarizing force in today's politics than a Clinton. I can't imagine the Democrats nominating her. Obama, I think, is still about 8 years away. The Republicans would hammer him on his lack of experience. The same the Democrats would have hammered Colin Powel had he decided to run in 2000.
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I personally know of a lot of people who voted Democratic who would never, in their words, "vote for a nigger". They'd sooner vote for Ralph Nader than a black man.
A white woman has more of a chance than a black man ever will. I'd start looking towards Hispanic candidates actually. They're less threatening to white people and constitute a larger portion of the population than African Americans.
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
Black guy right?
Mmmkk forget it, not a chance in hell. We're a long way from any minority being elected VP or Pres.
I disagree. This country would have had no problem electing Colin Powell in 2000. Republicans loved him.
I think you're underestimating the breadth of racism in this country.
Actually, I agree with you that there is still a tremendous amount of racisim in this country. However, when people look at Barack Obama, just as they look at Colin Powell, they don't see a "black man." Please, don't interpret this the wrong way, but I've talked to a lot of people about Obama and, even though he is black, people look at him as a "white" black man. Now, while this is an awful way to view a person, it's the reality. Obama speaks well, he's very articulate, he has a message and he's smart. In short, he doesn't fit in to people's normal racist stereotypes of African Americans.
If you want numbers, look at the polling numbers from downstate Illinois -- a region that is very conservative and republican. Obama won handily downstate Illinois.
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
Athletic Supporter wrote:
Black guy right?
Mmmkk forget it, not a chance in hell. We're a long way from any minority being elected VP or Pres.
I disagree. This country would have had no problem electing Colin Powell in 2000. Republicans loved him.
I think you're underestimating the breadth of racism in this country.
Actually, I agree with you that there is still a tremendous amount of racisim in this country. However, when people look at Barack Obama, just as they look at Colin Powell, they don't see a "black man." Please, don't interpret this the wrong way, but I've talked to a lot of people about Obama and, even though he is black, people look at him as a "white" black man. Now, while this is an awful way to view a person, it's the reality. Obama speaks well, he's very articulate, he has a message and he's smart. In short, he doesn't fit in to people's normal racist stereotypes of African Americans.
If you want numbers, look at the polling numbers from downstate Illinois -- a region that is very conservative and republican. Obama won handily downstate Illinois.
In the words of someone near and dear to me, he's not "offensively black." Your post made her statement make a lot more sense to me, thanks.
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Someone mentioned Powell, so I'll opine on him for a sec.
Without knowing how he would shape up on domestic/ecomomic and social issues, I must say I do agree with his approach to war and defense.
Frontline had a documentary on Rumsfeld, and they laid out the Powell Doctrine and his ideas for war/defense and his call for the use of overwhelming force as opposed to small, mobile armies that Rumsfeld prefers.
I also think he is highly intelligent and a moderate Republican. He is definately worth mentioning when speaking of 2008 candidates.
But again, lets work on these next four years first. Much to do.
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