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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:42 pm 
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So Matt, what kind of economic environment do you foresee in the near- to medium-term? Inflation, deflation, stagnation...what?


No. Econ thread.

Why? This is pertinent to investment strategy. I'm not asking for a breakdown of monetary policy or what you expect from the next FOMC meeting.

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I'm 15 years from retirement, what mix between real estate, money markets and sticks should I have? Currently at about 50% real estate, 10% money markets and 40% stocks.


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tyler wrote:
I'm 15 years from retirement, what mix between real estate, money markets and sticks should I have? Currently at about 50% real estate, 10% money markets and 40% stocks.

I think I've identified the flaw in your current investment strategy.

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thodoks wrote:
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I'm 15 years from retirement, what mix between real estate, money markets and sticks should I have? Currently at about 50% real estate, 10% money markets and 40% stocks.

I think I've identified the flaw in your current investment strategy.
Would I be better off if I invested in Styx memorabilia?


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Fine. I think the U.S. is fucked. I can't pinpoint when it will happen but there is no way out of our financial mess. Basically, I look at our finances (U.S. Government) just like I look at a companies. We have a balance sheet and we have an income statement. At some point, we will not have the the revenues (tax receipts) to cover our interest on the debt. I can't pinpoint when that will happen but it is going to happen. 10 years? 20 years? Dunno. When that happens we will see a rapid devaluing of the dollar that will be...painful.

So my answer is hyper inflation/stagflation but I don't know when it will happen. It doesn't affect the way I invest. I own good companies that should be able to pass through any inflation so my assets will rise as the U.S. dollar falls.

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tyler wrote:
I'm 15 years from retirement, what mix between real estate, money markets and sticks should I have? Currently at about 50% real estate, 10% money markets and 40% stocks.


Unfortunately, this is one of those areas I'm not well versed in. I know it's probably the most important question, too.

What I can say is Real Estate and Stocks are so general that you can be in ultra conservative Real Estate or very risk Real Estate (usually leverage is what distinguishes that). I assume that you might be referring to your home in that bucket. Regardless, I have no idea what the proper allocation should be except that as you get closer to retirement you should be almost completely out of stocks and in all fixed income/lower risk assets.

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given2trade wrote:
I own good companies

What is your criteria for determining what is (and what isn't) a sound company? How big of a role does their balance sheet play? What are your red flags?

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thodoks wrote:
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I own good companies

What is your criteria for determining what is (and what isn't) a sound company? How big of a role does their balance sheet play? What are your red flags?


Debt Asset Ratio is a good one.

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thodoks wrote:
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I own good companies

What is your criteria for determining what is (and what isn't) a sound company? How big of a role does their balance sheet play? What are your red flags?


A difficult question to answer generically. The balance sheet is tremendously important. In the fall of 2008, I owned no companies with any debt. That was an extreme situation and investors were not getting rewarded for taking any kind of risk. Some elements of what makes a company "good":

1) Cash Flow is equal to or greater than Net Income. Cash is king. I care little about economic earnings. I want to see money going into the bank.

2) Good, healthy margins. If revenues decline by 5 of 10 percent, will the company still be profitable?

3) Stable/low vol earnings through an entire cycle. I have little interest in highly cyclical companies, no matter how inexpensive they might be off of "normalized" earnings.

4) Long operating history with a management team that is incentivized with shareholders. Those are two different things. The management team can be new but should not be there to take a paycheck, primarily. Hopefully they will make multiples of their pay in stock/options should things go as planned.

5) RE: balance sheet. When is debt due? What are the balance sheet risks? In normal times, I have no problem with a little debt. You want an optimal capital structure. Some businesses should have debt. However, it's a fine line.

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The biggest red flag is a company that is producing earnings (economic earnings/net income) but is not producing cash flow.

See: Enron

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20021201/24916.html

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given2trade wrote:
The balance sheet is tremendously important. In the fall of 2008, I owned no companies with any debt.

Dumb question, but is there some sort of repository of firms' balance sheets? I can't just type "companies without debt" into google and expect to find anything meaningful. And there are so many companies out there I wouldn't know where to start.

I guess my question is if I held a similar investment strategy, where would I go to start analyzing balance sheets and income statements?

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Fine. I think the U.S. is fucked. I can't pinpoint when it will happen but there is no way out of our financial mess. Basically, I look at our finances (U.S. Government) just like I look at a companies. We have a balance sheet and we have an income statement. At some point, we will not have the the revenues (tax receipts) to cover our interest on the debt. I can't pinpoint when that will happen but it is going to happen. 10 years? 20 years? Dunno. When that happens we will see a rapid devaluing of the dollar that will be...painful.

So my answer is hyper inflation/stagflation but I don't know when it will happen. It doesn't affect the way I invest. I own good companies that should be able to pass through any inflation so my assets will rise as the U.S. dollar falls.


lol

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"Everybody else is fucked but I'm not because I invest wisely!"

I'm glad you can't get laid

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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.


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Fine. I think the U.S. is fucked. I can't pinpoint when it will happen but there is no way out of our financial mess. Basically, I look at our finances (U.S. Government) just like I look at a companies. We have a balance sheet and we have an income statement. At some point, we will not have the the revenues (tax receipts) to cover our interest on the debt. I can't pinpoint when that will happen but it is going to happen. 10 years? 20 years? Dunno. When that happens we will see a rapid devaluing of the dollar that will be...painful.

So my answer is hyper inflation/stagflation but I don't know when it will happen. It doesn't affect the way I invest. I own good companies that should be able to pass through any inflation so my assets will rise as the U.S. dollar falls.


lol

Take it to the econ thread

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"Everybody else is fucked but I'm not because I invest wisely!"

I'm glad you can't get laid

What's wrong with not wanting to get caught on the wrong side of a monetary meltdown (or meltup, as the case may be)?

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"Everybody else is fucked but I'm not because I invest wisely!"

I'm glad you can't get laid


You've ruined enough things in life, please let this thread have a fighting chance.

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given2trade wrote:
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"Everybody else is fucked but I'm not because I invest wisely!"

I'm glad you can't get laid


You've ruined enough things in life, please let this thread have a fighting chance.

Sorry for playing along.

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thodoks wrote:
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"Everybody else is fucked but I'm not because I invest wisely!"

I'm glad you can't get laid

What's wrong with not wanting to get caught on the wrong side of a monetary meltdown (or meltup, as the case may be)?


I save but "investing" doesn't really interest me

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thodoks wrote:
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The balance sheet is tremendously important. In the fall of 2008, I owned no companies with any debt.

Dumb question, but is there some sort of repository of firms' balance sheets? I can't just type "companies without debt" into google and expect to find anything meaningful. And there are so many companies out there I wouldn't know where to start.

I guess my question is if I held a similar investment strategy, where would I go to start analyzing balance sheets and income statements?


This is hard. There are companies that offer screening services where you can put in a gazillion variables and it will pop out a list of companies. None of it is free, however. I'm sure you can find something online that will let you search basic things.

Edit: http://www.marketscreen.com/

Something like this. They have a 7 day free trial. The ones institutions use cost $1000+ a month per user.

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so where's a good place to buy/sell stock/bonds for a beginner.?

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