Not necessarily, but it helps if you're condemning the parents as failures. If you aren't a parent at all then you just come off as ridiculously self-righteous prick.

Have you ever had any dealings with law enforcement when it comes to inter-teen situations?

If the teenaged girl is willful and does this stuff because she CHOOSES to and the distributor is a teenaged boy, the cops can't do shit about it.

LW, do you have some sort of deep seated issue with the female gender?

Also, I really don't understand how someone can place blame with the girl's parents while not even mentioning the parents of the bullies.

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Amanda Todd's alleged tormentor named by hacker group


'Anonymous' names man it claims bullied B.C. teen who took her own life
CBC News Posted: Oct 15, 2012 6:01 PM PT Last Updated: Oct 16, 2012 8:41 AM PT

Amanda Todd has taken another bizarre twist as the internet hacking and activist group Anonymous has named a man the group says was the girl's primary tormentor.

Todd, 15, of Port Coquitlam, died last Wednesday, a month after posting a haunting video on YouTube that cited the sexualized attack that set her down a path of anxiety, depression and drug and alcohol abuse.

During her nine-minute video, the teen explains in handwritten notes that she was in Grade 7 when she was lured by an unidentified male to expose her breasts via webcam.

She says that a year later, she received a message from a man on Facebook threatening that if she didn't give him a show, he would send the webcam picture to her friends and family. She says police later told her the man followed through with his threat.

Anonymous published the name and address of a Vancouver-area man that the group claims was bullying and preying on Todd via the internet.

The activist group claims the 32-year-old man has also made postings to child pornography sites.

The man himself has now been threatened online by others vowing to carry out vigilante justice, a development that worries Vancouver defence lawyer Eric Gottardi.

"The system isn't supposed to convict someone before charges are laid. It’s not supposed to be judge, jury and executioner, all in the public forum," Gottardi said. "We have a justice system. It’s supposed to work, it does work."

Family pleads for help

Todd's family has pleaded with people to report anyone desecrating online tribute pages to Amanda and also to come forward with information about those who bullied her online:

Her aunt, Leanna Todd, of Halifax, told CBC News that the public response to Todd's death and the discussion about bullying have provided the family with much comfort.

“I've really been overwhelmed by it. I knew there would be an outcry. I didn't know it would be an international outcry and I don't think her parents expected it either."

Two dozen RCMP investigators have been assigned to look into the bullying, which could bring charges of criminal harassment.

A spokesman told CBC News Monday that police are aware of the social media speculation about Todd’s alleged tormentor, but would not comment further.

A national child anti-exploitation group, cybertip.ca, says it received a tip almost a year ago about Todd.

A concerned citizen contacted the organization last November to report that images of Todd were being circulated online, said spokeswoman Signy Arnason.

"We did receive one report, and that was passed along to law enforcement as well as child welfare," Arnason said Monday. "It was not a report from her, but it was a report from a concerned citizen."
Seedy underworld

The kind of sexual exploitation described by Todd is part of a seedy cyber-underworld that targets young girls and it is not bullying, but a vicious crime that should be pursued even after her death, say child advocates.

"Threats are a very common tactic utilized by individuals in their attempts to extort more information off of the kids," said Arnason, whose group will release a report on online luring later this week.

About one per cent of the 67,000 reports they've received since 2005 involve luring – a number that is significant when cases can spiral out of control as they did for Todd.

"Being sexually curious is not an abnormal thing as an adolescent. It's quite developmentally normal. The problem is that when you combine it with the online world then the effects can be devastating."

"You get a lot of youth — and Amanda's not unusual — where they do feel like their life is over, and it's just so incredibly tragic what occurred for her," Arnason said.

slutty girls should get what's coming to them. jeez, everyone knows that.

also, it's pretty rare to see Nick swear at anyone around here.

That's funny, I didn't think it was requisite to blame the piece of shit bullies parents while blaming her piece of shit parents. I'm confused as to how anything I said leads you to believe that I have some sort of deep seated issue with the female gender.

This is more than an inter-teen situation. Her internet stalker, the epicenter of this and her downward spiral, was THIRTY YEARS OLD! There's no reason he shouldn't be in jail. I don't know what Canada's laws are, but I imagine that law enforcement does not need consent from her, or her parents, to press charges against him.

Also, an inter-teen fight, assault charges can most certainly be filed. Especially with a fight like that.

Let's go further - she wasn't fifteen when she flashed her tits. From what I can tell she was THIRTEEN! She wasn't in high school, she wasn't rebelling, she was just atrociously naive, she was raised so as to have no pride in herself or to protect her body and privacy, and clearly not raised to be aware of the dangers of her actions. If a thirteen year old girl gets candy from a thirty year old stranger, would you not immediately question how she was raised so as to naively accept candy from a stranger? Why doesn't the same hold true here?

This is NOT a momentary lapse in judgement. This is a SERIES of awful lapses of judgment. If being thirteen and flashing a thirty year old isn't suspect enough, what happened AFTERWARDS is nothing but more raw negligence from the circle of adults that should have been protecting her. You want to give them a free pass on the not instilling good judgment file, fine. The other part of an adults job is to PROTECT CHILDREN! They weren't monitoring what she was doing online, they didn't know what she was doing at all, even after this, she was able to sneak off and have sex, they didn't know she was being bullied, they didn't know she was being harassed and stalked by a thirty year old (before he sent the pics). When the guy sent out her topless pics, what happened? Nothing. The largest failure of these fucking scumbags was that they didn't press charges against her stalker. It doesn't MATTER what the child thinks is the best way to move forward to make new friends in a new school. It matters that the CHILD PREDATOR is put away - if not to protect YOUR daughter, than to prevent it from happening to someone else's child. This is the most irresponsible aspect of this and why it is plainly clear that these are piece of shit worthless parents. This happened FOR YEARS. A total abject failure in parenting.

And as to Phil, it's one thing to do things behind your parents back. It's another to do things that could be prevented if the parents had taken a pro-active roll in their child's life. It begins with not keeping tabs on what she was doing on the internet, and results in a downward spiral where she took her life. It's clear that even after this happened that they didn't monitor what she was doing online. So it continued. Even though the adults around her in her school were aware of what was taking place, they did nothing. Then she starts cutting herself? This is an INEXCUSABLE series of events. The parents were given actionable information and had the means to protect their daughter - yet it continued for years, and they allowed a sexual predator to run free.

Fuck them.

This is the real world people. It's not a world where you blithely expect the best from everyone. It's where you prepare and act like everyone is a vengeful pedophile. That way little girls aren't exploited and end up killing themselves.

It's the fact that you have reacted with such anger in this thread and also the contraception thread when talking about girls and women and sex. In fact it's pretty obvious to me that you do have some issues but that's your problem really and I won't mention it again.

As far as the parents go, I don't see how you cannot understand that regardless of how good parents are, their children can still make bad choices. And yes, I can't understand how you could find fault with the girl's parents and not even mention the parents who raised the children who tormented this girl for a bad choice. If good parenting is all that is necessary to produce a well behaved child then surely these bullies' parents must be awful too.

I haven't said anything angry about the girl. An innocent girl is dead because of the negligent choices and non-actions of the adults who were entrusted with protecting her, the callous, selfish, disgusting actions of another adult, and the petty actions of the offspring of even more shitbag parents. Why shouldn't I be angry? Everyone should be angry. Is there anything to not be angry about? And what does any of this have to do with girls and sex and contraception?

I don't see how you cannot understand that bad choice aside, the parents should have immediately reported this to the authorities, explained to her that it was a necessity to press charges to protect herself and other girls from a sexual predator, and began aggressively monitoring activities to ensure she didn't harm herself further.

There is simply no need to mention the other parents in the same breath as criticizing her parents. Period. Talking about one without the other doesn't diminish the roll the other party played. It's a strawman. A diversion of my criticism. And remember, my point was that WE don't have to worry about things like this happening to our girls, because WE have the power and the ability - THE DUTY - and responsibility, to ensure these things don't happen. You take a pro-active roll in a childs life, you talk to them, you monitor their online activities, you put on a parental block, you make sure you have their facebook passwords, you keep tabs on them. If not to ensure THEY are doing the right thing, to ensure that people aren't trying to harm or exploit them. Then, when they make a mistake, you correct it, and implement measures to ensure the mistake isn't compounded. These parents didn't do these things. They were completely asleep at the wheel.

The parents of the bullies are awful parents too. Without a doubt. Along with the teachers who have the responsibility of ensuring students are respecting one another.

The whole thing is a sad mess, and there is absolutely, positively, no excuse as to why it escalated in the way it did.

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also, everything about this event and phenomenon just leaves me at a loss

You don't have to read the whole thread, Kris, but at least read the page we're on.

if there is a littlewing post on a page, i only read the littlewing post, assuming that it perfectly synthesizes, clarifies, and refutes the salient posts on said page

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Welp, carry on then.

Shit be fucked.

I was on quite the football high when I posted that.

Anyhoo, this article sums up a lot better as to what my feelings were:
http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... s/263585/#

And I wasn't even trying to piss him off.

MMA Analysis: Getting to Know Chris Horodecki

By MMA Sucka, Thu, October 18, 2012
I remember the first time I saw a young Chris Horodecki fight. It was on an IFL card back in 2006 and the first thing I thought was wow that kid looks like he had to produce a fake ID to get into the building, but holy crap can he fight. I started following his career as he kept putting wins together and became one of the most talked about young fighters in Canada. A lot of people believed that it was just a matter of time before the UFC would be calling.

At 25 years old and 23 fights later “The Polish Hammer” still continues to battle towards the dream of one day fighting in the big show. When I got to talk to Chris on MMASucka Radio this week, it was like talking to a wily veteran of the game, yet you forget that this guy is still young and is about to enter the prime of his career.


I started out at 17 years old; I had my first pro fight when I was still in high school. When I first started my career, I won my first 11 or 12 fights and I had ups and downs. Just like any fighter in the sport, you’ve got to take the highs and the lows and keep moving forward. It’s kind of cliché, but it’s like they say in Rocky, ‘ It’s not how much you get hit, but how much you get hit and keep moving forward.’ I’ve had a great career; I’ve fought for the big shows. I fought for IFL, TKO (which was the biggest show in Canada at that time), WEC, Bellator, I’ve been all around the block.

One of the fighters that Chris and many other Canadians look up to is George St. Pierre. In a recent interview GSP mentioned that at one point in his career he lost the love for the game and had to rediscover the passion. For Horodecki, the fervor for the sport runs deep and although the fight game can be a grind, there is no love loss.


I’m so passionate about what I do and I’ve been doing martial arts my whole life. I know this is what I want to do. I went to school to be a paramedic full-time and at the same time juggling a career in the IFL. I was in class and falling asleep because I was up training twice and then up all night doing homework. When you’re sitting in class and all you are thinking about is fighting then you know that’s all you want to do. Now, I’m very privileged and blessed to be able to have my own gym with Mark Hominick and Sam Stout at the Adrenaline Training Center that Shawn Tompkins left us before he went to the states. This is my full time job. I fight, I teach, I train and I coach.

It’s definitely a full time schedule for the Poland born Canadian and you wonder if the last few years have been about avoiding burn out and not getting stuck in a rut. The real challenge for Horodecki has been his battle with inconsistency and it is something that he hasn’t allowed to frustrate him.


Losing motivates me more than anything. A loss sucks, so you work harder to fill those gaps and improve your weaknesses. You hope to never taste a loss again. The level of competition goes up every fight. I had a little bit of misfortune, but this is the fight game. Sam Stout has been in the UFC consistently for the past 6 years and he’ll win and lose, but as long as you’re performing or getting better that’s all that matters. You got to keep growing as a fighter and keep chasing the top.

Since 2008, it’s been two steps forward and one step back for the London, Ontario resident and although he talks about losses fueling him to get better, a change of scenery was also needed. Since the death of friend and Coach Shawn Thompkins, Chris has felt a void. Although he has had his close friends at Adrenaline Training Center helping and supporting him, it was time to look outside of the box to find someone who could help recreate Horodecki 2.0.


Last year was hell for me; I lost a close friend of mine who I grew up with, I lost a trainer who was like a father figure to me. It’s been a whirlwind year. Losing a trainer is one thing, but losing Shawn was devastating. I’m motivated now and I’m in a good place mentally. I’ve changed things up and I’ve been training at Tristar in Montreal. I’m training with Firas Zahabi, Eric O’Keefe, Jonathan Chaimberg and the crew over there. It’s good and it’s exactly what I need. I’m fresh, I’m motivated, and I’m excited to get back to where I was.

Moving to Tristar for training camp was probably not a terribly difficult decision for Horodecki. It was a chance for renewal and put the difficulties of the last couple of years behind him. Albert Einstein use to say, ‘In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.’


I just needed to get out of my comfort zone. One of the benefits of when Shawn was alive was getting to train with him in Las Vegas. It was unfortunate that he wasn’t here on a day-to-day basis, but come camp I spent 6 or 7 weeks in Las Vegas. I could focus and bite down and put all of my energy into my training. Basically, being at home it’s great, I’ve got my girls here; I’ve got my own gym, but you’ve got to get out of that comfort zone and Eric O’Keefe (Firas’ right hand man) opened the door for me. After Shawn had passed, he said the door was always open for the transition phase. He was very respectful the way he approached me and not trying to overstep his boundaries and I’m very appreciative for what Eric did for me and hooking up with a good crew and getting back that focus and momentum.

The re-creation of Horodecki starts this Friday at The Score Fighting Series in Sarnia, Ontario. Chris is set to face Brad Cardinal in the Main Event at a catch weight of 150lbs. It’s not only a main event fight, but it’s a chance to enact some revenge. Back in 2011 Cardinal defeated Team Adrenaline stand out Jesse Gross via rear naked choke. The controversy stems from the fact that the Quebec referee that night inexplicably stopped the fight for no apparent reason. Gross never tapped out and suffered his first loss in his young professional career. Horodecki not only wants the win for himself but also for his Team Adrenaline teammates.


I definitely want to get that redemption for Jesse. I know that Jesse was chomping at the bit hoping to get that rematch. Hopefully, when he wins his fight on Friday on the main card of the Score show he can take on what’s left over of Brad Cardinal.

Chris has faced some stiff competition before, but he is ready to go to war with Cardinal and show that he is ready for a new chapter in his MMA career.


He’s very durable and that’s something I’ve got to watch, He’s been in wars and he can stand there with anybody. I’ll be ready to go to war with him, but his reach is something to worry about and his back game is definitely his strong point. There’s no secret on what he’s going to want to do, but I’m 100% the better striker, I know he’s improved, but he’s not on my level.

The polish kid from London, Ontario that impressed so many during his early days, is still growing in the sport. You can’t call him a kid anymore. Instead he is “The Polish Hammer” looking to rebuild and re-establish himself as one of Canada’s top fighters. There is a lot to be excited about for Horodecki. He has decided to make his home in the 145lbs division. He has surrounded himself with some of the best coaches in mixed martial arts. With a new lease on life, new training regiment, and support from all his family and friends, the second coming will be a painful realization for future opponents.

You can see Horodecki in action this Friday night on The Score in Canada or on AXS TV in the United States. Follow Chris Horodecki @chrishorodecki. If you live in the London, Ontario area and you want to train, check out the Adrenaline Training Center.

Horodecki Shout outs to @LIUNA, @RazorWear, @StrtSoldier, @GammaLabs, and http://www.wildwingrestaurants.com for their support in Friday nights fight! @DenaroSports