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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:10 am 
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Glenn Beck's guest host says taxing tanning salons is racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/3 ... 18781.html

DOC THOMPSON: For years I've suggested that racism was in decline and yeah, there are some, you know, incidents that still happen with regards to racism, but most of the claims I've said for years, well, they're not really real. But I realize now that I was wrong. For I now too feel the pain of racism. Racism has been dropped at my front door and the front door of all lighter-skinned Americans. The health care bill the president just singed into law includes a 10 percent tax on all indoor tanning sessions starting July 1st, and I say, who uses tanning? Is it dark-skinned people? I don't think so. I would guess that most tanning sessions are from light-skinned Americans. Why would the President of the United States of America -- a man who says he understands racism, a man who has been confronted with racism -- why would he sign such a racist law? Why would he agree to do that? Well now I feel the pain of racism.

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:haha: Tanning is so goddamned useless anyways.

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Hahaha. As ridiculous as this is (and it's pretty fucking ridiculous), I think he actually has a point! At least, going by the modern PC definition of racism, which basically means any policy that has a negative effect and doesn't affect the different races in exact proportion to their population. This is racist in the same way that a fast food tax is racist. That is, it's really not, but politicians and sensitive crybabies like to pretend it is.

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Hahaha. As ridiculous as this is (and it's pretty fucking ridiculous), I think he actually has a point! At least, going by the modern PC definition of racism, which basically means any policy that has a negative effect and doesn't affect the different races in exact proportion to their population. This is racist in the same way that a fast food tax is racist. That is, it's really not, but politicians and sensitive crybabies like to pretend it is.


Agreed!

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It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.

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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.



Would outlawing or placing an extra tax on menthol cigarettes be racist?

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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.



lets tax chicken, watermelon and collared greens as well as pro basketball players

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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.


So we should go ahead and tax all non "required" goods and services then, right? Or just things that are "stupid and frivolous?"

Where do you draw the line - what's not required or stupid and frivolous to one person, might mean more to someone else.


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Stelly wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.


So we should go ahead and tax all non "required" goods and services then, right? Or just things that are "stupid and frivolous?"

Where do you draw the line - what's not required or stupid and frivolous to one person, might mean more to someone else.

Don't they cause cancer? If that's not reason enough to tax it then we should remove taxes from cigarettes.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Stelly wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.


So we should go ahead and tax all non "required" goods and services then, right? Or just things that are "stupid and frivolous?"

Where do you draw the line - what's not required or stupid and frivolous to one person, might mean more to someone else.

Don't they cause cancer? If that's not reason enough to tax it then we should remove taxes from cigarettes.


What in NaTs argument said anything about tanning being cancer-causing and unhealthly? Her argument was that the tax is ok becasue tanning in not required and stupid and frivolous. If you don't agree with it, don't go tanning.

It obviously does cause cancer. If that is your argument for the tax, fine. Then why aren't we adding the 10% tax on every product or service that causes cancer? Why single out tanning salons?

Hell, I guess we should tax beaches becasue people lay out in the sun and get cancer!


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Stelly wrote:
Then why aren't we adding the 10% tax on every product or service that causes cancer? Why single out tanning salons?

Hell, I guess we should tax beaches becasue people lay out in the sun and get cancer!


The evidence is overwhelming that these specific things cause cancer. That's probably the reason why. What other items out there have overwhelming evidence that they cause cancer? I'm just asking a question.

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Tanning salons are something of a luxury service, so taxing it on the basis of that is fairly reasonable, if the paternalist angle is bothering you.


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Stelly wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Stelly wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.


So we should go ahead and tax all non "required" goods and services then, right? Or just things that are "stupid and frivolous?"

Where do you draw the line - what's not required or stupid and frivolous to one person, might mean more to someone else.

Don't they cause cancer? If that's not reason enough to tax it then we should remove taxes from cigarettes.


What in NaTs argument said anything about tanning being cancer-causing and unhealthly? Her argument was that the tax is ok becasue tanning in not required and stupid and frivolous. If you don't agree with it, don't go tanning.

It obviously does cause cancer. If that is your argument for the tax, fine. Then why aren't we adding the 10% tax on every product or service that causes cancer? Why single out tanning salons?

Hell, I guess we should tax beaches becasue people lay out in the sun and get cancer!

I'm not really arguing with you here.

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Stelly wrote:
Then why aren't we adding the 10% tax on every product or service that causes cancer? Why single out tanning salons?

Hell, I guess we should tax beaches becasue people lay out in the sun and get cancer!


The evidence is overwhelming that these specific things cause cancer. That's probably the reason why. What other items out there have overwhelming evidence that they cause cancer? I'm just asking a question.


That's a fair point, but have the taxes levied on cigarettes really stopped people from smoking?

And if we are going to "sin tax" cancer causing products, what about other dangerous products - say, bleach. Bleach can be dangerous. Is the government going to start levying a tax on bleach? It's a slippery slope.

(I know bleach is a silly example, but you get my point. Next thing you know there will be a federal tax on paper becasue too many people are getting paper cuts.)


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simple schoolboy wrote:
Tanning salons are something of a luxury service, so taxing it on the basis of that is fairly reasonable, if the paternalist angle is bothering you.


Lol, wut?!?!


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Fake tanning increases a person's chance of getting the deadliest form of skin cancer by something like 75 percent. By all accounts, it's a horrible idea to do it. I have no problem with the state taxing such moronic societal practices.

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Fake tanning increases a person's chance of getting the deadliest form of skin cancer by something like 75 percent. By all accounts, it's a horrible idea to do it. I have no problem with the state taxing such moronic societal practices.



Really?

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It's not racist, because nothing about visiting a tanning salon is required. It's a CHOICE to look like a giant tangerine, and if you don't agree with the tax, you can easily lay out in the sun, or *GHASP!* go natural. They're not FORCING all white people to pay the tax, just the idiots that blow their money on something so stupid and frivolous.



lets tax chicken, watermelon and collared greens as well as pro basketball players

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broken iris wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
Fake tanning increases a person's chance of getting the deadliest form of skin cancer by something like 75 percent. By all accounts, it's a horrible idea to do it. I have no problem with the state taxing such moronic societal practices.



Really?

What else is it called?

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Stelly wrote:
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Stelly wrote:
Then why aren't we adding the 10% tax on every product or service that causes cancer? Why single out tanning salons?

Hell, I guess we should tax beaches becasue people lay out in the sun and get cancer!


The evidence is overwhelming that these specific things cause cancer. That's probably the reason why. What other items out there have overwhelming evidence that they cause cancer? I'm just asking a question.


That's a fair point, but have the taxes levied on cigarettes really stopped people from smoking?

And if we are going to "sin tax" cancer causing products, what about other dangerous products - say, bleach. Bleach can be dangerous. Is the government going to start levying a tax on bleach? It's a slippery slope.

(I know bleach is a silly example, but you get my point. Next thing you know there will be a federal tax on paper becasue too many people are getting paper cuts.)

Actually, I don't get your point. If bleach is a silly example, give me a good one, because otherwise I have no reason to buy the "slippery slope" argument, which I tend to think is bunk anyway.

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