Red Mosquito • View topic - Manufacturing Dissent

nepal · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:24 pm

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In the realm of documentary filmmaking there is no greater icon than Michael Moore, but are his films really the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth
At what point does the manipulation of fact become a work of fiction?
See for yourself when the lens is turned on the most controversial director of our time. Discover the film that Michael Moore doesn t want you to see

corduroy_blazer · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:42 pm

I'm not sure I've ever considered his works documentaries. It's more like propaganda or opinion video essays or something ...

glorified_version · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:53 pm

Most documentaries take liberties with facts, it takes a lot of story telling to construct a good, entertaining documentary film

I don't know if I would call Moore's films propaganda (I think that would imply some sort of conspiracy, yet he goes through proper channels to get funds), but they are highly designed to elicit an emotional response with the viewer and in a way that is tasteful, professional, and accomplished

It would be disingenuous to say that films like Sicko and Bowling for Columbine are not truthful, because they contain quite a few elements of truth

punkdavid · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:55 pm

Manufacturing Dissent? I thought we already had a Glenn Beck thread.

Electromatic · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:24 pm

I don't think his films are propaganda.

I find them more persuasive documentaries from his viewpoint and overall world view. Anyone doing a documentary can choose how to portray the facts from thier point of view or try and let the viewer decide. He makes these films because he is passionate about these issues and wants to persuade the viewer to act or feel a certain way after viewing them.

I think honestly he's pretty freaking good at what he does. I don't always agree with his ideas but they are usually pretty good films.

Buffalohed · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 8:38 pm

Electromatic wrote:

I don't think his films are propaganda.

I find them more persuasive documentaries from his viewpoint and overall world view. Anyone doing a documentary can choose how to portray the facts from thier point of view or try and let the viewer decide. He makes these films because he is passionate about these issues and wants to persuade the viewer to act or feel a certain way after viewing them.

I think honestly he's pretty freaking good at what he does. I don't always agree with his ideas but they are usually pretty good films.

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dkfan9 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:05 pm

i heard this was pretty good (i think it was this one). blur the line between fact and opinion (while misrepresenting the facts presented) and you can get anyone outraged about the way things are.

Buffalohed · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:03 pm

dkfan9 wrote:

blur the line between fact and opinion (while misrepresenting the facts presented) and you can get anyone outraged about the way things are.

this doesn't really mean anything until you can tell us what facts were misrepresented

dkfan9 · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:34 pm

Buffalohed wrote:

dkfan9 wrote:

blur the line between fact and opinion (while misrepresenting the facts presented) and you can get anyone outraged about the way things are.

this doesn't really mean anything until you can tell us what facts were misrepresented

i think there's some in those videos, if that's the doc i'm thinking of, but here:
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

just a quick excerpt

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4. Shooting at Buell Elementary School in Michigan. Bowling depicts the juvenile shooter who killed Kayla Rolland as a sympathetic youngster, from a struggling family, who just found a gun in his uncle's house and took it to school. "No one knew why the little boy wanted to shoot the little girl."

Fact: The little boy was the class thug, already suspended from school for stabbing another kid with a pencil, and had fought with Kayla the day before. Since the incident, he has stabbed another child with a knife.

Fact: The uncle's house was the family business -- the neighborhood crack-house. The gun was stolen and was purchased by the uncle in exchange for drugs.The shooter's father was already serving a prison term for theft and drug offenses. A few weeks later police busted the shooter's grandmother and aunt for narcotics sales. After police hauled the family away, the neighbors applauded the officers. This was not a nice but misunderstood family.

nepal · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:00 am

Buffalohed wrote:

dkfan9 wrote:

blur the line between fact and opinion (while misrepresenting the facts presented) and you can get anyone outraged about the way things are.

this doesn't really mean anything until you can tell us what facts were misrepresented

Watch the documentary, it's all there: how he set up scenes in Roger & Me and in Bowling For Columbine, how he owned Haliburton stocks, how he betrayed Ralph Nader etc.

windedsailor · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:26 am

this is betta

nepal · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:47 am

windedsailor wrote:

this is betta

Could you be more specific? What exactly is better in F for Fake? What are the weaknesses of Manufacturing Dissent compared to F for Fake? What did, and did not work in Manufacturing Dissent? I am really interested to hear.

windedsailor · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:15 am

nepal wrote:

windedsailor wrote:

this is betta

Could you be more specific? What exactly is better in F for Fake? What are the weaknesses of Manufacturing Dissent compared to F for Fake? What did, and did not work in Manufacturing Dissent? I am really interested to hear.

Just watch it man.

It's better.

nepal · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:25 pm

windedsailor wrote:

nepal wrote:

windedsailor wrote:

this is betta

Could you be more specific? What exactly is better in F for Fake? What are the weaknesses of Manufacturing Dissent compared to F for Fake? What did, and did not work in Manufacturing Dissent? I am really interested to hear.

Just watch it man.

It's better.

I could say the same :wink:

windedsailor · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:33 pm

nepal wrote:

windedsailor wrote:

nepal wrote:

windedsailor wrote:

this is betta

Could you be more specific? What exactly is better in F for Fake? What are the weaknesses of Manufacturing Dissent compared to F for Fake? What did, and did not work in Manufacturing Dissent? I am really interested to hear.

Just watch it man.

It's better.

I could say the same :wink:

you could, but you'd be wrong

Buffalohed · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:50 pm

You expect us to watch over an hour of youtube videos without telling us what it's about?

windedsailor · **Posted:** Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:34 pm

Buffalohed wrote:

You expect us to watch over an hour of youtube videos without telling us what it's about?

Its a movie, that just happens to be a youtube video. It's orson welles last completed movie. It involves Orson Welles, Clifford Irving, Howard Hughes, Picasso, and one of the best Art Forgers of the century. It's about truth. Really has nothing to do with Michael moore, but its a better movie on fakery, lies, and truth.

cutuphalfdead · **Posted:** Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:11 am

windedsailor wrote:

Buffalohed wrote:

You expect us to watch over an hour of youtube videos without telling us what it's about?

Its a movie, that just happens to be a youtube video. It's orson welles last completed movie. It involves Orson Welles, Clifford Irving, Howard Hughes, Picasso, and one of the best Art Forgers of the century. It's about truth. Really has nothing to do with Michael moore, but its a better movie on fakery, lies, and truth.

I watched the first two segments and was very drawn into it. I plan on completing it soon.

windedsailor · **Posted:** Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:33 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:

windedsailor wrote:

Buffalohed wrote:

You expect us to watch over an hour of youtube videos without telling us what it's about?

Its a movie, that just happens to be a youtube video. It's orson welles last completed movie. It involves Orson Welles, Clifford Irving, Howard Hughes, Picasso, and one of the best Art Forgers of the century. It's about truth. Really has nothing to do with Michael moore, but its a better movie on fakery, lies, and truth.

I watched the first two segments and was very drawn into it. I plan on completing it soon.

nepal · **Posted:** Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:51 pm

More than 250 views so someone must have actually watched the documentary. Any comments, or is it that the material was so strong you're speechless?

Manufacturing Dissent - A second opinion on Michael Moore

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