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Stephen Harper - Conservative Party Michael Ignatieff - Liberal Party Jack Layton - Neo-Democratic Party Elizabeth May - Green Party Gilles Duceppe - Bloc Québécois
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:23 pm
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teflonsteve wrote:
I will, but I dont think its gonna matter. I fear a Harper majority.
I fear Harper not getting a majority and wasting $300 million another 2 years down the road. Harper, the best of a bad lot. If he'd lose the prison system initiative I'd like him a lot more.
i can't stand harper. i don't like elizabeth may. i like jack layton. and i don't mind ignatieff. actually i would probably for the liberals if i thought they had any better chance of beating the conservatives in my riding. the ndp has a better chance though. nto sure how peopel like tyler can vote harper. he is such an untrustworthy slimeball. even my hardcore conservative cousin is not voting conservative this election because of the harper governments nonsense and non stop attack ads.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:34 am
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Joined: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:33 am Posts: 8422 Location: Berthier-sur-Mer Gender: Male
here in the Quebec City area we have the most conservative deputation in the province, thanks to highly popular bonehead talk radio stations and the pseudo rivalry (fed by the Cons and the shit-mouthed radio hosts) between Montreal and Quebec City (in fact, the Conservatives play that country vs. city card big time - divide and rule, yay). i absolutely loathe Harper and his way of doing politics - transparency was supposedly a great concern for him after the Liberals' sponsorship scandal, well, it's a fucking joke, Harper's only cultural concern is cultivating opacity. the only party that i would support for an actual mandate are the GP and NDP but i'll probably end up voting for the Bloc. a coalition could be a good compromise if we get the same situation as before. anything but a conservative majority.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:24 pm
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mastaflatch wrote:
here in the Quebec City area we have the most conservative deputation in the province, thanks to highly popular bonehead talk radio stations and the pseudo rivalry (fed by the Cons and the shit-mouthed radio hosts) between Montreal and Quebec City (in fact, the Conservatives play that country vs. city card big time - divide and rule, yay). i absolutely loathe Harper and his way of doing politics - transparency was supposedly a great concern for him after the Liberals' sponsorship scandal, well, it's a fucking joke, Harper's only cultural concern is cultivating opacity. the only party that i would support for an actual mandate are the GP and NDP but i'll probably end up voting for the Bloc. a coalition could be a good compromise if we get the same situation as before. anything but a conservative majority.
Outside of the prisons I think the conservatives have the best policies and the 2nd best leader (which really isn't saying much). I wish a leader with Layton type personal values would lead the conservatives. I'm with you on the transparency thing, that was a big let down for me. But I think their general stewardship of the economy has been the best in the G20, and that's reflected in the value of our dollar.
I'm wondering why anyone would vote Bloc. I don't see what they do for either Quebec or their ridings. I never know if Duceppe has any integrity because he never has to keep any promises, and he's in an odd position of participating in federal politics while saying he's a separtist. Though I've never seen him make a single political action to move Quebec along the road to independance.
I'm from Montreal and love Montreal and Quebec but after so much fighting and what feels at times like financial extortion, I wouldn't be sad to see Quebec go it's own way. But I think it would only be fair, in the name of fairness and democracy to allow sections of Quebec to then make the same type decision. I'm quite sure that Montreal and a few other areas would opt to stay in Canada. However it all shakes out I do hope that Quebec's Blos Quebecois and Parti Quebecois can get their act together enough to win a vote for seperation.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:22 pm
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tyler wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
here in the Quebec City area we have the most conservative deputation in the province, thanks to highly popular bonehead talk radio stations and the pseudo rivalry (fed by the Cons and the shit-mouthed radio hosts) between Montreal and Quebec City (in fact, the Conservatives play that country vs. city card big time - divide and rule, yay). i absolutely loathe Harper and his way of doing politics - transparency was supposedly a great concern for him after the Liberals' sponsorship scandal, well, it's a fucking joke, Harper's only cultural concern is cultivating opacity. the only party that i would support for an actual mandate are the GP and NDP but i'll probably end up voting for the Bloc. a coalition could be a good compromise if we get the same situation as before. anything but a conservative majority.
Outside of the prisons I think the conservatives have the best policies and the 2nd best leader (which really isn't saying much). I wish a leader with Layton type personal values would lead the conservatives. I'm with you on the transparency thing, that was a big let down for me. But I think their general stewardship of the economy has been the best in the G20, and that's reflected in the value of our dollar.
I'm wondering why anyone would vote Bloc. I don't see what they do for either Quebec or their ridings. I never know if Duceppe has any integrity because he never has to keep any promises, and he's in an odd position of participating in federal politics while saying he's a separtist. Though I've never seen him make a single political action to move Quebec along the road to independance.
I'm from Montreal and love Montreal and Quebec but after so much fighting and what feels at times like financial extortion, I wouldn't be sad to see Quebec go it's own way. But I think it would only be fair, in the name of fairness and democracy to allow sections of Quebec to then make the same type decision. I'm quite sure that Montreal and a few other areas would opt to stay in Canada. However it all shakes out I do hope that Quebec's Blos Quebecois and Parti Quebecois can get their act together enough to win a vote for seperation.
i used to be a more militant supporter of the separatist movement (until the last referendum, that is) and there's no way that we saw anything close to those famous "winning conditions" since then. many quebecers have forgotten the sponsorship scandal - many even didn't quite get what it was about but i still feel like democracy was fucked in the ass by the federal governement without much consequence. i just don't think independence is gonnna happen. too many people uninterrested in having an opinion of their own, going the easy way and basically being parrots what i'll do, since it's how our system works, is vote against the conservatives in my riding. granted, the Bloc is the closest behind the CP here. as for Duceppe, i think he's doing a great job at defending Quebec's values in Ottawa, especially in the context of a governement minority. if Harper ever wins a majority though, many things dating back from before the Quiet Revolution will make a resurgence and that's just a huge leap backwards. we're still fighting to remain a secular nation here and the Conservatives won't help us at all. with the high rate of immigration, it's very important to separate church and state and push language policies and strenghen Quebec's cultural programs or we will die a slow cultural death - not as drastic and planned out than the First Nations' (that's more like a cultural genocide imo) but that's gonna happen. i wish there was someone or something standing in Harper's way but the Liberals have become the masters of drabness and the Green Party and NDP are just too "weird" for many older people. can't wait to vote FOR something.
I'm with tyler on this one. The consevatives are the only decent choice here. I just fear we'll end up in the same fucking boat and be talking about this same shit in another 2 years wasting another boat load of money. Bleh.
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i'm not sure how all the conservative supporters out there ignore the multitude of ethical issues with the conservative party. if it was the liberals in the position now they would be going nuts.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:10 pm
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corky wrote:
i'm not sure how all the conservative supporters out there ignore the multitude of ethical issues with the conservative party. if it was the liberals in the position now they would be going nuts.
I agree but then I look at my alternatives.
I don't trust the Liberals in any way at all and I don't like Iggy nor think he has any integrity. Right now the party has no direction or morals. I haven't trusted them since Chretien lied and said he was going to do away with GST and then kept it.
I like Layton but not his party's policies. Canada would not be in it's strong economic place it currently is if the NDP had been in charge the last few years. Just look at the NDP credit card idea, nothing higher than prime plus 5%, an idiotic policy. The NDP always seem to foget that it's not their money they're spending. Just look at how they feel entitled to the $2 per vote per year, like it's their money being proposed to be taken away. This goes for the Liba dn Bloc too.
Elizabeth May couldn't get herself voted female head of her own household. I look at Canada's advantages vis a vis other countries and it includes the oil in Alberta. It scares me the environmental accords and policies the Greens would implement.
Even with the ethical issues and prisons I feel the Conservatives are the best alternative.
All I want from my government is fiscal management, get out of a deficit position sooner rather than later, start paying down the debt, make sure ongoing entitlement programs are sustainable without having to raise taxes. Do those and I don't really care what else the government does. Doing those five things will sufficiently restrain government for me.
I must admit those videos are pretty funny, but I'm voting for the Tories, it's the only viable option.
Canada is one of the only countries that has managed to stay afloat during the economic downturn so why would we change that?
Iggy is a fool. Probably the worse debater and he's a prof.
I'd like to see Jack in if anyone else than Harper. He's been fighting for it forever plus, he said "bling" on national television so you know he's hip.
A majority government is highly unlikely at this point with Jack gaining ground, so another Tory minority gov't is inevitable bring us back to where we were three months ago.
i'm not sure i would give any credit to the tories for keeping us afloat
I didn't say we should. I'm just saying why rock the boat when things have been good thus far? If a new party is elected new policy will follow. Indeed, said policy may not be bad, but it may not be good either. Was is certain is that whatever it is will impact our economic growth. I'd rather have a sure bet than increased taxes.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:11 pm
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manofgoldenwords25 wrote:
corky wrote:
i'm not sure i would give any credit to the tories for keeping us afloat
I didn't say we should. I'm just saying why rock the boat when things have been good thus far? If a new party is elected new policy will follow. Indeed, said policy may not be bad, but it may not be good either. Was is certain is that whatever it is will impact our economic growth. I'd rather have a sure bet than increased taxes.
there are bigger things at stake. the Harper governement has been disastrous for our international reputation and policies. that bunch of morons may be good at economics but on other planes, they're the equivalent of the tea-partiers. i don't want us to go back to 1950s values and policies. if the torries get a majority, that dreaded "change" you're talking about may come uglier than you think.
Post subject: Re: (Yet another...) Canadian Election
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:20 pm
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mastaflatch wrote:
manofgoldenwords25 wrote:
corky wrote:
i'm not sure i would give any credit to the tories for keeping us afloat
I didn't say we should. I'm just saying why rock the boat when things have been good thus far? If a new party is elected new policy will follow. Indeed, said policy may not be bad, but it may not be good either. Was is certain is that whatever it is will impact our economic growth. I'd rather have a sure bet than increased taxes.
there are bigger things at stake. the Harper governement has been disastrous for our international reputation and policies. that bunch of morons may be good at economics but on other planes, they're the equivalent of the tea-partiers. i don't want us to go back to 1950s values and policies. if the torries get a majority, that dreaded "change" you're talking about may come uglier than you think.
No offence but internation reputation is a load of shit. Obama wins the Noble Peace Prize and is currently actively engaged in four wars. So much for international reputation having anything to do with reality. I don't really care what Russia, China or Iraq think of us.
The only country I respect internationally at the moment is China. They don't really interfere militarilly with anyone and they're very consistant on that. Canada gives away its sovereignty and does whatever UN and NATO decide on. I'm not sure how following the UN and NATO are necessarily bad for international reputation though.
Now if Duceppe and the PQ can only get their acts together and win a sovereignty vote. That's change I can believe in.
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