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the irony is the French probably don't really give a fuck about this.


Huh? You're way off here, the guy was the best chance for the left in the 2010 presidential elections, way ahead of anyone else in the polls. It's a big fucking deal over here. This might be enough to kill him (politically) even if he turned out to be innocent.

IMO, he's already killed politically speaking, whatever happens now. I have mixed feelings about this stuff. If he is guilty, then he must pay for it, but given the almost fascistoid government we have now, a trap is not to be ruled out.

Why would the U.S. want to take him down? Serious question.

I'm by no way implying the US want to take him down. It could be a setup made by a french agency. Knowing the records of DSK on sexual harassment, it could be easy to make it sound true.

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Listen, if he did this, he is certifiably insane. You can say anyone who rapes is insane (or commits any heinous crime for that matter) but I think this crime would make him legally insane.

Who sits naked in a $3000 hotel room in the middle of the day waiting for the chamber maid to come in to YOUR ROOM to rape them?



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the irony is the French probably don't really give a fuck about this.


Huh? You're way off here, the guy was the best chance for the left in the 2010 presidential elections, way ahead of anyone else in the polls. It's a big fucking deal over here. This might be enough to kill him (politically) even if he turned out to be innocent.

IMO, he's already killed politically speaking, whatever happens now. I have mixed feelings about this stuff. If he is guilty, then he must pay for it, but given the almost fascistoid government we have now, a trap is not to be ruled out.

Why would the U.S. want to take him down? Serious question.


It doesn't have to involve the US government, could be a political opponent that knows his behavior and schedule.

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Prosecution says tests on maid corroborate her account.

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Owl_Farmer wrote:
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the irony is the French probably don't really give a fuck about this.


Huh? You're way off here, the guy was the best chance for the left in the 2010 presidential elections, way ahead of anyone else in the polls. It's a big fucking deal over here. This might be enough to kill him (politically) even if he turned out to be innocent.

IMO, he's already killed politically speaking, whatever happens now. I have mixed feelings about this stuff. If he is guilty, then he must pay for it, but given the almost fascistoid government we have now, a trap is not to be ruled out.

Why would the U.S. want to take him down? Serious question.


It doesn't have to involve the US government, could be a political opponent that knows his behavior and schedule.

The French sure like their politics dirty if this turned out to be true. Even the fact that it's being considered as a possibility is... wow.

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Prosecution says tests on maid corroborate her account.

Grand jury May 20.


Well that's it. If she has DNA on her then it's case closed.

He's insane!

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Owl_Farmer wrote:
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the irony is the French probably don't really give a fuck about this.


Huh? You're way off here, the guy was the best chance for the left in the 2010 presidential elections, way ahead of anyone else in the polls. It's a big fucking deal over here. This might be enough to kill him (politically) even if he turned out to be innocent.

IMO, he's already killed politically speaking, whatever happens now. I have mixed feelings about this stuff. If he is guilty, then he must pay for it, but given the almost fascistoid government we have now, a trap is not to be ruled out.

Why would the U.S. want to take him down? Serious question.


It doesn't have to involve the US government, could be a political opponent that knows his behavior and schedule.

The French sure like their politics dirty if this turned out to be true. Even the fact that it's being considered as a possibility is... wow.


Sarkozy and his side are pretty much a bunch of scumbags. A lot of them have been in dirty cases or are suspected to.

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The French sure like their politics dirty if this turned out to be true. Even the fact that it's being considered as a possibility is... wow.


2007 presidential election : Mrs Royal, Sarkozy's main opponent, saw her appartment burglarized twice in the time of the campaign so you may never say never.

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What the hell!? Totally bizarre, what a loony tune. :shake:

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If the people in "power" of this world want to take someone down they will, plain and simple...

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At least we have a reason to compare and contrast the U.S. and French Judicial systems, eh? Its not all bad.


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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/imf_ ... RHw1434HvJ

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By JENNIFER BAIN and BOB FREDERICKS
Last Updated: 10:54 AM, May 18, 2011
Posted: 3:13 AM, May 18, 2011

Dominique Strauss-Kahn may have more to worry about than a possible prison sentence.

The IMF chief's alleged sex-assault victim lives in a Bronx apartment rented exclusively for adults with HIV or AIDS, The Post has learned.


The hotel maid, a West African immigrant, has occupied the fourth-floor High Bridge pad with her 15-year-old daughter since January -- and before that, lived in another Bronx apartment set aside by Harlem Community AIDS United strictly for adults with the virus and their families.

ALLEGED VICTIM SET FOR GRAND JURY TESTIMONY

The Post has not been able to ascertain whether the maid, 32, has HIV/AIDS because of medical confidentiality laws.

But the agency rents apartments only for adults with the disease. A Harlem United worker said at least one adult in the household has to be HIV-positive or have AIDS to qualify for one of their units. A healthy adult with a child with HIV or AIDS is not eligible.


"The [current] apartment isn't rented under her name. Harlem [Community AIDS] United places their tenants in our building," explained an employee of the apartment building's property manager, Chaim Gross, of Brooklyn.

The maid had previously lived in another High Bridge apartment rented by Harlem United, a source said. She had moved there with her child in 2008.

According to the agency, it is not uncommon for people with HIV/AIDS to move around.

Her lawyer, Jeffrey Shapiro, and a close family friend said the chambermaid is a widow who lives alone with her daughter. Public records list her as the only adult in the current apartment and the only adult having lived in her previous apartment.

Neighbors also say it was just her and the child in both places.

The Harlem United workers who talked to The Post were not specifically addressing the maid's living situation, only their agency's housing policies. Officials at Harlem United declined to comment because of confidentiality.

The woman has accused France's leading presidential contender of forcing her to perform oral sex on him twice and then trying to rape her as she tried to clean his Sofitel hotel room in Times Square on Saturday.

She told cops that after he sodomized her, she spit out his semen on the floor, a law-enforcement source said. Investigators are running DNA tests on the sample.

According to the federal Centers for Disease Control: "It is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex."

Strauss-Kahn's lawyers declined comment last night.

The humiliated, 62-year-old suspect was ordered held without bail Monday and placed under suicide watch at Rikers Island -- reduced to wearing shoes without laces and a medical device to make sure he's breathing.

"He did not attempt to commit suicide. He went through an evaluation by a shrink, and they put him on watch," a Correction source said of the multimillionaire politico, who has an entire jail wing to himself.

The suspect's defense team has suggested that the pair was involved in a consensual romp.

The alleged victim, whose name is being withheld by The Post, remained in the protective custody of the Manhattan DA's Office.

The woman was under extreme security -- with investigators even intercepting her phone calls to keep her away from possible attempts by Strauss-Kahn cronies to get her to stop cooperating, sources told The Post.

One high-powered lawyer, who was among those trying to reach her to offer to rep her, said, "She could make $6 million, maybe more, just by shutting her mouth."

The maid's close family friend said he received a frantic call from the woman about an hour after her alleged attack, as detectives brought her to the emergency room at St. Luke's Hospital.

"She rang me, and she said, 'Somebody has done something really bad to me. I've been attacked,' " he told the Daily Mail. "She was crying all the time."

Shapiro said his client learned Strauss-Kahn's name only a "day or two" after the alleged attack.

The lawyer added, "There is no civil litigation pending or contemplated at this point.

"She was reunited with her daughter last night," he added.

The developments came as law-enforcement sources said hotel staffers failed to alert cops to the incident for up to three hours -- as Strauss-Kahn fled his room.

Hotel video cameras show the maid running from his room after the alleged attack, which occurred after noon, and into the maid service area on the floor, one source said. There, she called her boss, who arrived 10 to 15 minutes later, and then called another supervisor.

It took 10 to 15 minutes more for that boss to arrive, the source said. Hotel security was then called. About 10 to 15 minutes later, another security worker arrived and called his boss. Meanwhile, Strauss-Kahn apparently fled his room even before the first boss even arrived. It's not clear when cops were finally called. One source said it was after about 3:30 p.m., when Strauss-Kahn called the hotel looking for his cellphone; another said around 2:30 p.m. He was nabbed on a plane just about to depart JFK Airport for France at 4:40 p.m.

A Sofitel rep could not immediately be reached.

Meanwhile, a female reporter for a European paper told the Times of London that last November Strauss-Kahn offered her an exclusive interview, "but I had to go and spend the weekend with him in Paris or somewhere."

"He was incredibly insistent . . . He made it almost explicit that I had to sleep with him for the interview."

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I'm so fascinated by this case. Now it appears they are going to claim the sex was consensual. Wait, weren't they originally claiming it couldn't be him cause he was having lunch with his daughter?

I'm still not sure how you can force someone to have oral sex. That's gotta be the worst blowjob ever, not to mention the risk of them biting your dick off.

The more I read about this guy the more likely it is he did commit the crime. He has been accused of rape before.

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Artful politician that he is, Dominique Strauss-Kahn has a keen sense for not just his strengths but also his potential weaknesses — though few would be quite as blunt in saying so.

Considered the Socialist party’s leading candidate for president of France, Mr. Strauss-Kahn identified three threats to his aspirations in an interview with the newspaper Libération, held on April 28 but published only this week. “Money, women and my Jewishness,” he said. “Yes, I like women,” he went on. “So what?”

Mr. Strauss-Kahn added, “For years they’ve been talking about photos of giant orgies, but I’ve never seen anything come out.”

Today, Mr. Strauss-Kahn sits in a jail cell on Rikers Island in New York, his reputation — and any political ambitions — perhaps irreparably tarnished by his arrest on charges of attempted rape of a hotel maid in Manhattan last weekend.

It is a humbling comedown for Mr. Strauss-Kahn, whose rise on the world stage has been marked by contradictions.

As managing director of the International Monetary Fund in Washington since late 2007, Mr. Strauss-Kahn has returned the agency to relevance by helping engineer a $1 trillion bailout for Europe — but only after an initial humiliation when he was reprimanded for a brief affair in 2008 with a subordinate.

A prominent Socialist, he has held powerful positions in previous French governments despite his wealth, lavish lifestyle and his reputation as a womanizer.

A man with an impressive intellect, great charm and restless energy, his flaws have been accepted because of his accomplishments. “Even the chatter about women was discounted enormously by everyone around him,” said Steven C. Clemons, director of the American Strategy program at the New America Foundation who first met Mr. Strauss-Kahn in 1998 and was impressed by his strong personality.

“I don’t think there was a conspiracy of silence,” Mr. Clemons said. “The discussion I always heard about him was he’s one of the titans, that he’s such an extraordinarily different person, that rules don’t apply to him in the same way.”

One former I.M.F. official said that, had Mr. Strauss-Kahn been a less senior person, he might been fired or at least “sent to Siberia” because of the affair with his underling. He survived an investigation, in part, this person said, because the culture at the I.M.F. dictated “no rules” for the managing director and because there was little appetite to rid the agency of a charismatic and effective leader when an international financial crisis looming.

Mr. Strauss-Kahn arrived at the I.M.F. at what would be an opportune time for him and the agency, which had become an international organization with little clout since the Southeast Asia financial crisis in the mid 1990s. A former finance minister for France, he had a deep knowledge of international economics and was on a first-name basis with most of Europe’s top leadership.

He played a pivotal role as Europe’s debt crisis deepened last May, and leaders were deadlocked over what to do. In midnight phone calls, Mr. Strauss-Kahn pressed them to take action. Quickly, he urged, before things got worse. His insistence helped overcome their hesitance, and they agreed to a set up a $1 trillion rescue package to help Greece and other troubled countries, with the I.M.F. contributing to the bailout fund. And as countries like Germany pushed for harder austerity terms, he was vocal in saying that could backfire by slowing economic growth too much — which seems to be the case in Greece today.

“The only real strength of the I.M.F. is the ruthlessness of truth-telling,” Mr. Strauss-Kahn said at the time.

“Early on, the Europeans were in complete denial. I think his main accomplishment will go down as persuading them that they had to deal with Greece before it was too late. And he did that not by bullying them, not by banging the table, but much more by coaxing and persuading them,” said Simon Johnson, who was the I.M.F.’s chief economist from March 2007 to August 2008.

It was a seminal triumph for the I.M.F. and a moment to savor for Mr. Strauss-Kahn, who was already winning plaudits after the inauspicious start resulting from the affair.

He had a reputation as a skilled, hands-on and tough-minded manager who did not shy from making tough decisions. He cut the I.M.F.’s staff by 400 to reduce costs. But he still managed to command the loyalty of his staff, by engaging them on their own terms, and by delving into the details of their highly technical research, according to several current and former fund employees. Traveling constantly, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is known to carry two BlackBerrys with him — one encrypted and the other not — to stay in constant touch. Those on the receiving end say his messages often come adorned with two smiley faces.

“For a guy who was so flamboyant, he found a way to get things done, to save the institution by working behind the scenes,” said one official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “He is effective at maneuvering in very, very high circles — which is really not at all an easy thing to do.”

Mr. Strauss-Kahn and his third wife, the American-born French journalist Anne Sinclair, have kept a surprisingly low profile in Washington, despite their prominence in France.

Ms. Sinclair, who inherited a fortune from her grandfather, an art merchant who had exclusive contracts with Matisse and Picasso, was a famous television interviewer in France, a kind of Barbara Walters, before moving to Washington with Mr. Strauss-Kahn.

They live in a 5-bedroom, 5-bath brick home in fashionable Georgetown; the house, bought in 2007 for $4 million, is in her name, real estate records show. They own two apartments in France, one that cost 4 million euros ($5.7 million) that was bought with cash, and a penthouse bought by Ms. Sinclair in 1990 for 2.5 million euros ($3.5 million), the year before they married. They also own a century riad, or private house, in Marrakesh, Morocco, bought for 500,000 euros ($706,000) in 2000.

The couple’s wealth enabled them to live well beyond his I.M.F. salary of about $442,000 — tax-free, as are salaries for many employees at international agencies — and an expense allowance of $79,120, according to the 2010 I.M.F. annual report. His marriage to Ms. Sinclair and their lifestyle have led to Mr. Strauss-Kahn being called a caviar socialist, a term used in France, an image that was reinforced recently with the publication of a photo of him stepping into a Porsche in Paris.

For all their connections, the couple does not often turn up at A-list parties in Washington or mingle with the city’s political elite. “I’ve never met them, I don’t know anything about them and I can’t find anybody who has met them,” said Sally Quinn, the Georgetown doyenne and wife of the former Washington Post executive editor Ben Bradlee. “It’s weird; we’ve always known the head of the I.M.F. before.”

Mr. Strauss-Kahn has managed to rise to the corridors of power in France even though he did not graduate from the elite Ecole Nationale d’Administration — he failed the entrance examination — though he later taught there after graduating from another French university. He met his first wife in high school in Monaco and married her when he was 18. They had three children before divorcing. In 1986, he married his second wife, who had given birth to their only child a year earlier. He and Ms. Sinclair have no children together.

Ms. Sinclair has supported Mr. Strauss-Kahn through all his reported indiscretions since their marriage in 1991. Tristane Banon, a journalist and writer, publicly claimed in 2007 that Mr. Strauss-Kahn tried to rape her during an interview in 2002, when she was 22. Aurélie Filipetti, a respected Socialist parliamentarian in France, said in 2008 that she had been groped by Mr. Strauss-Kahn and would “forever make sure” she was never “alone in a room with him.”

In their 2006 book “Sexus Politicus” on the sexual behavior of politicians, the French journalists Christophe Deloire and Christophe Dubois devoted an entire chapter to Mr. Strauss-Kahn under the heading, “The DSK Affair.” They cite the case of a young journalist who tells the authors she had met Mr. Strauss-Kahn when she was researching a book on the professional failure of leaders. “He was so forward in his manner and inappropriate that she was on the point of lodging a complaint,” they wrote. They added that “his art of seduction which can reach obsessiveness has no equal besides his intellect.”

After Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s brief affair with a Hungarian economist at the I.M.F. in early 2008 came to light, he was allowed to stay after an investigation found that he had not abused the power of his office. Still, he was chastised for inappropriate behavior and apologized.

The I.M.F. maintains a more permissive stance toward sexual relationships between supervisors and subordinates than other multinational organizations. Its ethics policy states that such relationships “do not, in themselves, constitute harassment.” The World Bank, by contrast, says such a relationship is “a de facto conflict of interest.”

When — even if — Mr. Strauss-Kahn will ever return to his expansive high-ceilinged office on the 12th floor of the I.M.F. building in Washington is not clear. The office has a reception area, a comfortable couch in a sitting area, a conference room and a bathroom. “It exuded power,” said one former IMF official.

All of which is a far remove from his cell in Rikers Island, where Mr. Strauss-Kahn has been ordered to stay pending trial. His lawyers are fighting for his release on the $1 million bail posted by his wife, arguing that he suffers from sleep apnea and that he should not be considered a flight risk.

Sheryl Gay Stolberg, Binyamin Appelbaum and Graham Bowley contributed reporting.

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I can't believe Luke has as many votes as guilty. :?

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I'm so fascinated by this case. Now it appears they are going to claim the sex was consensual. Wait, weren't they originally claiming it couldn't be him cause he was having lunch with his daughter?


The reason they said that is because the first version was that the events took place around 1pm, but then the NYPD changed it to noon.

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I'm so fascinated by this case. Now it appears they are going to claim the sex was consensual. Wait, weren't they originally claiming it couldn't be him cause he was having lunch with his daughter?


The reason they said that is because the first version was that the events took place around 1pm, but then the NYPD changed it to noon.


Yah, I saw that. Good point. I also don't think they'd even spoken to him yet at that point.

Still, it seems rather far fetched he had consensual sex with african immigrant that was a hotel maid. If the defense claims they have had many affairs over the years, then fine, but if this was a one off "sex act" and immediately she reported it/claimed rape - it seems really far fetched.

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