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 Post subject: Re: I'm pretty sure there is no god
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:01 am 
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I know. It sucks. It's an academic publisher that usually just sells to libraries and specialists. The outside reviewers who took a look told them should make it a mass market book, but they didn't listen :(

If all goes well they'll release it in paperback in a year.

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stip wrote:
I know. It sucks. It's an academic publisher that usually just sells to libraries and specialists. The outside reviewers who took a look told them should make it a mass market book, but they didn't listen :(

If all goes well they'll release it in paperback in a year.



I clicked the link, all excited to up my political sophistication, and realized that costs as much as a Derpy Hooves.


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well I had to look up what a Derpy Hooves was. We all have our own areas of expertise.

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well I had to look up what a Derpy Hooves was. We all have our own areas of expertise.



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As soon as ellie is watching that i'll be looking for you to answer all my questions

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stip wrote:
As soon as ellie is watching that i'll be looking for you to answer all my questions



Im not a Brony, but its not that bad a show. :oops:


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stip wrote:
I don't have time to type out the other passage I really like and am not a fan of the translation that he found online, but he basically argues that if there are Gods they are so far beyond human beings that trying to make sense of their motives with our limited faculties is foolish, and imagining that they take an interest in our lives is hubris, so why worship?


I agree with this, but I also wonder why human beings can't bear to give themselves more credit in the face of God or gods because our faculties are actually pretty far from limited.


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
stips book is $73

I used to work at a university bookstore as a textbook buyer - wait for a new edition to be printed, the $73 one will be sold for like 6 bucks. academic book publishers are real pricks that way.

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it'll be a while before the next edition, I suspect.

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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
I do want to start reading essays by Jean-Paul Satre, and maybe C_B's hero Bertrand Russell. Get a little variety.


Much of Russell's work is available for free. For example, here's is a decent collection of web links:

http://www.users.drew.edu/~jlenz/brtexts.html

Or, if you have an e-reader, just search his name and you'll find plenty of his books can be downloaded at no cost.

As for Sarte, good luck! I've read very little of his work.

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 Post subject: Re: I'm pretty sure there is no god
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stip wrote:
yeah, I'll fall hard for that kind of stuff every time.

In response I'd say this though,

I doubt very much the magnitude of what you and the others experienced there will ever come close to balancing the scales of what was taken from the lives of the victims. Evil acts give us the opportunity to do good, but when has the good ever outweighed the evil? And why should the victims have to suffer like they do so you could feel uplifted?


I am an atheist for a few reasons. One was that i decided that the idea of god just didn't make sense. And I used to feel superior to believers for seeing through the myths. Then I decided that made me a dick, and some of the smartest and wisest people I've ever known (as well as several of my political heroes) were sincere believers, and so I got over that. I don't believe, but I don't really think of myself as superior to those who don't anymore, nor would I want to interfere with the ways they cope with grief and infinity (I guess I'm doing that here, maybe, but this is a space that is also inviting this conversation).

But the problem of evil has long been a fundamental sticking point for me. Any god that couldn't stop it isn't God. Any god that would allow that isn't worth my worship, and any god whose logic exists beyond the moral comprehension and reasoning of man doesn't need it.


Why not? Maybe he just needs redefining. We expect God to hold to the standards of the Judao-Christian God, with his 'attributes' of ominpresence, omniscience etc. that we've given him, but what if those things are just imposed upon the biblical text? Made up? What if 'God' can't stop these disasters? You'll say "Maybe he doesn't exist." Well, maybe he doesn't. But maybe he does, and he's merely 'Dog' backwards?

The question of why we would need to worship Dog is an interesting one.


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If you redefine the Judeo-Christian God, is 'he' still God?

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If Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, polytheists and pantheists have anything to do with it, yes. :|


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 Post subject: Re: I'm pretty sure there is no god
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It depends what you need God to be in order to call him / her / it 'God'. There is no inherent definition of the term. It's just a word.


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http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs ... nt-evolve/

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Now, in a very brief interview—only three questions—De Dora tries to explain where people should turn for a moral framework outside of the Bible. He fails to do so adequately.


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http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/blogs/ken-ham/2012/12/16/morality-didnt-evolve/


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De Dora would rather rely on philosophical writings to influence public policy.


I guess Ham prefers the philosophical writings of the The Prophets and King Solomon.

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Now, in a very brief interview—only three questions—De Dora tries to explain where people should turn for a moral framework outside of the Bible. He fails to do so adequately.


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I feel like I could take a thousand random screen shots from that interview and Hannity will be making that face every time.

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Harmless wrote:
If Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, polytheists and pantheists have anything to do with it, yes. :|


All these folks are preconditioned to identify with it in that way.

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It depends what you need God to be in order to call him / her / it 'God'. There is no inherent definition of the term. It's just a word.


I respectfully disagree. If you ask anyone - believer or not - they can 'define' "God" and their definitions would probably all sound extremely similar. It's the same concept in most religions.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/god

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the idea that a god needs or wants us to worship him is pretty insane.

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