Can someone tell me, is there a reason why someone in prison would not be allowed to vote? Is it simply an inability to be properly registered or something? Or is it simply a consequence of being convicted of a felony?
I can't imaging that intentionally not allowing an EX convict to vote would be legal, constitutionally, would it?
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I started a thread about this on the old board, with a poll and everything, but it appears that all of N&D was lost from the database of the old board, so I can't link it here.
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Did you want convicted murders participating in choosing your government? What about serial killers? anarchists? what about repeated child molesters?
don't they kind of forfeit their right/ability to participate in the society when they choose to commit crimes like that?
Those are crimes against the very society they wish to participate in if they want to vote.
What about people who rob banks? or people who embezzle from a company they work for? How about people who create malicious computer code to break into databases? Heroin dealers?
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malice wrote:
Did you want convicted murders participating in choosing your government? What about serial killers? anarchists? what about repeated child molesters?
don't they kind of forfeit their right/ability to participate in the society when they choose to commit crimes like that? Those are crimes against the very society they wish to participate in if they want to vote.
What about people who rob banks? or people who embezzle from a company they work for? How about people who create malicious computer code to break into databases? Heroin dealers?
I don't know about the murderers or or molesters, but I have someone close to me who was covicted of bank robbery many years ago. He served his time and all that and I think it was about 10 years after he got out of prison that he got the right to vote back. So some ex-cons do vote...
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I prefer #3 (voting rights after sentence and completion of parole/probation), but would be willing to take #2 (voting rights as soon as released). Whatever your crime, if the corrections officials feel you're safe to run around in public, how much damage could you possibly cause by voting?
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if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
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Peeps wrote:
if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
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turkey sub jr. wrote:
Peeps wrote:
if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
I concur.
So, is that murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? Negligible behavior leading to death? By your standard, why would we ever let anyone out of jail? I mean, not that some people shouldn't get life in prison, but a lot of people who are responsible for the death of others do eventually get out of jail after either "paying their debt" or completing rehabilitation requirements.
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if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
I concur.
So, is that murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? Negligible behavior leading to death? By your standard, why would we ever let anyone out of jail? I mean, not that some people shouldn't get life in prison, but a lot of people who are responsible for the death of others do eventually get out of jail after either "paying their debt" or completing rehabilitation requirements.
im not sure the exact definitions of murder, but thats why i stated, you planned to take someones life
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just_b wrote:
turkey sub jr. wrote:
Peeps wrote:
if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
I concur.
So, is that murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? Negligible behavior leading to death? By your standard, why would we ever let anyone out of jail? I mean, not that some people shouldn't get life in prison, but a lot of people who are responsible for the death of others do eventually get out of jail after either "paying their debt" or completing rehabilitation requirements.
First off, do murders, molesters, kidnappers, etc. even care about voting?
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turkey sub jr. wrote:
First off, do murders, molesters, kidnappers, etc. even care about voting?
Well, I haven't seen a poll, but would we be having a debate if they hadn't tried?
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Peeps wrote:
just_b wrote:
turkey sub jr. wrote:
Peeps wrote:
if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
I concur.
So, is that murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? Negligible behavior leading to death? By your standard, why would we ever let anyone out of jail? I mean, not that some people shouldn't get life in prison, but a lot of people who are responsible for the death of others do eventually get out of jail after either "paying their debt" or completing rehabilitation requirements.
im not sure the exact definitions of murder, but thats why i stated, you planned to take someones life
Well, for sake of argument (and with my extensive law show background), we'll call that 1st degree murder. But those people do still get released from jail from time to time. Someone (a parole board?) has found them eligible to receive the rest of their rights back, why hold back voting? It just seems like an arbitrary right to yank away from someone who gets all their other rights.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
Well, for sake of argument (and with my extensive law show background), we'll call that 1st degree murder. But those people do still get released from jail from time to time. Someone (a parole board?) has found them eligible to receive the rest of their rights back, why hold back voting? It just seems like an arbitrary right to yank away from someone who gets all their other rights.
this is all just on personal belief/opinion mind you, but i feel if you knowingly murder someone and it is premeditated, and not in self defense, your ass should never see the light of day
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just_b wrote:
Peeps wrote:
just_b wrote:
turkey sub jr. wrote:
Peeps wrote:
if your guilty on the account of murder, meaning you planned to take someones life, you should never have the right to vote or other things. you took someones life and robbed them of their rights, you shouldnt have any
I concur.
So, is that murder 1? Murder 2? Manslaughter? Negligible behavior leading to death? By your standard, why would we ever let anyone out of jail? I mean, not that some people shouldn't get life in prison, but a lot of people who are responsible for the death of others do eventually get out of jail after either "paying their debt" or completing rehabilitation requirements.
im not sure the exact definitions of murder, but thats why i stated, you planned to take someones life
Well, for sake of argument (and with my extensive law show background), we'll call that 1st degree murder. But those people do still get released from jail from time to time. Someone (a parole board?) has found them eligible to receive the rest of their rights back, why hold back voting? It just seems like an arbitrary right to yank away from someone who gets all their other rights.
Perhaps it's just an extra slap in the face for bein' a jerk?
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malice wrote:
Did you want convicted murders participating in choosing your government? What about serial killers? anarchists? what about repeated child molesters?
don't they kind of forfeit their right/ability to participate in the society when they choose to commit crimes like that? Those are crimes against the very society they wish to participate in if they want to vote.
What about people who rob banks? or people who embezzle from a company they work for? How about people who create malicious computer code to break into databases? Heroin dealers?
What I want was not the question.
The question(s) I asked, for which I don't see a response yet.
So I re-ask:
Can someone tell me, is there a (legal, on file, documented) reason why someone in prison would not be allowed to vote? Is it simply an inability to be properly registered or something? Or is it simply a consequence of being convicted of a felony?
I can't imaging that intentionally not allowing an EX convict (someone who has served their time and has been released on parole, as discribed in the original artile link for example) to vote would be legal, constitutionally, would it?
Did you want convicted murders participating in choosing your government? What about serial killers? anarchists? what about repeated child molesters?
don't they kind of forfeit their right/ability to participate in the society when they choose to commit crimes like that? Those are crimes against the very society they wish to participate in if they want to vote.
What about people who rob banks? or people who embezzle from a company they work for? How about people who create malicious computer code to break into databases? Heroin dealers?
What I want was not the question.
The question(s) I asked, for which I don't see a response yet.
So I re-ask:
Can someone tell me, is there a (legal, on file, documented) reason why someone in prison would not be allowed to vote? Is it simply an inability to be properly registered or something? Or is it simply a consequence of being convicted of a felony?
I can't imaging that intentionally not allowing an EX convict (someone who has served their time and has been released on parole, as discribed in the original artile link for example) to vote would be legal, constitutionally, would it?
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