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Looking for China's culture
By Tim Luard
BBC, China
China is the proud owner of the world's oldest continuous civilisation.
As recently as the 17th century, it had the largest and most sophisticated empire on Earth, one that used its cultural prestige to hold diplomatic sway over much of Asia and beyond.
Its skills - from printing to paper, porcelain and silk-making - far exceeded anything to be found in Europe.
I like romantic films the best, and Western films are much more romantic
Dolphin Xie, 24
So you might think China would have a good cultural base, given its current economic clout, on which to build a possible new superpower career.
The United States, after all, has successfully flooded the world with its own culture - mainly in the form of films and TV programmes, pop music, soft drinks and hamburgers.
But while a lot of foreigners like the occasional Chinese meal, the only Chinese arts we are likely to have heard of are martial ones, and there is no sign of many of us showing any aptitude or appreciation for the glories of China's traditional culture.
The trouble is, not many Chinese are these days either.
Consigned to history
In the name of progress there has been a steady destruction of China's visible culture - its city walls, temples, scrolls and antiques - for more than 100 years.
It reached its first climax in the anti-old campaigns of the Cultural Revolution and its second in today's construction boom.
There's more Ikea these days than traditional Chinese furniture
Jiang Xin, Beijing office worker
Some attempt is now being made to rescue what is left. Ancient pagodas are being rebuilt, and elaborately painted teahouses offer tourists imperial-style banquets.
But most locals prefer Disneyland to the Ming decorative arts. Just as the "open door" reform policy has brought economic opportunities, so it has brought cultural ones.
"I do like some Chinese as well as Western movies," said Dolphin Xie, a 24-year-old assistant TV producer. "But I like romantic films the best. And Western films are much more romantic."
Like all young urban professionals, Miss Xie carries a business card, with one side in Chinese and the other in English. Her name is given in English as just Dolphin, without even so much as a Chinese surname.
Go into a typical urban professional home and you won't see much that is Chinese either - few pictures, unless torn from a magazine, and almost certainly no books. The three-piece suite, on the other hand, may well be Swedish and brand new.
China is dominated by Western advertising
"There's more Ikea these days than traditional Chinese furniture," noted Jiang Xin, a young office worker in Beijing.
The Western brands in the smart new shopping plazas use not just Western writing but Western models in their window displays.
A few years ago it was the fashion for Beijing to adorn its new skyscrapers with traditional-style Chinese roofs, complete with swooping curves and garishly coloured tiles, but these days it is thought more prestigious to bring in top architects from Europe and America.
Their individual creations crowd the skyline of Shanghai's new business district. But according to Mi Qiu, a local urban designer and sculptor, the collective result has been a disaster.
"These buildings are all totally different - they are just dumped down as if from nowhere. There is no harmony or overall concept or town planning," he said.
These architects are not helping China, he said. The quality is often not up to scratch and standards of local buildings are suffering as a result.
"Development is moving so fast that nobody stops to think."
There is not even any concept of design in today's China, according to Robert O'Brien, who lectures at Beijing Normal University's School of Communication and Design in the southern development zone of Zhuhai.
"It's like Europe in the Industrial Revolution, before the Great Exhibition. Everything just comes straight from the factory."
There is some effort to restore China's ancient culture
The only reason the West is interested in China is for its money, he said.
"And that's all China is interested in too".
But he detects some sign of change in the new middle classes, who he says may now want their children to have something better.
According to Professor Zhou Dunren, who specialises in American Studies at Shanghai's Fudan University, young Chinese have been bombarded by US culture but the pendulum could well swing back the other way.
"People are starting to wonder if all the advertisements they see in the street and on television are true. Is the dream factory in Hollywood real or fictitious?"
China's civilization has proved remarkably long-standing, said Professor Zhou.
"China has changed in the past to meet various challenges. Adaptability is a basic strength of Chinese civilisation."
Mi Qiu, the designer, also remains optimistic, saying he was confident globalisation would not prove a totally one-way street.
"The West is getting more interested in China's culture at the same time as in its economy. It is looking to us for inspiration."
Culturally, China has more to offer than just its own heritage, said Mi Qiu, and what it comes up with next may turn out to be more hybrid than home-grown.
"We can find something that is somewhere between China and the West. Something new."
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Tired of "western culture"....er....."western advertisement culture"?
So am I.
And soon may be the rest of the world.
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Post subject: Re: China In Search Of....Well....China
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:37 pm
Johnny Guitar
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:26 pm Posts: 240
tsunami wrote:
Looking for China's culture
By Tim Luard BBC, China
China is the proud owner of the world's oldest continuous civilisation.
As recently as the 17th century, it had the largest and most sophisticated empire on Earth, one that used its cultural prestige to hold diplomatic sway over much of Asia and beyond.
Its skills - from printing to paper, porcelain and silk-making - far exceeded anything to be found in Europe.
I like romantic films the best, and Western films are much more romantic Dolphin Xie, 24
So you might think China would have a good cultural base, given its current economic clout, on which to build a possible new superpower career.
The United States, after all, has successfully flooded the world with its own culture - mainly in the form of films and TV programmes, pop music, soft drinks and hamburgers.
But while a lot of foreigners like the occasional Chinese meal, the only Chinese arts we are likely to have heard of are martial ones, and there is no sign of many of us showing any aptitude or appreciation for the glories of China's traditional culture.
The trouble is, not many Chinese are these days either.
Consigned to history
In the name of progress there has been a steady destruction of China's visible culture - its city walls, temples, scrolls and antiques - for more than 100 years.
It reached its first climax in the anti-old campaigns of the Cultural Revolution and its second in today's construction boom.
There's more Ikea these days than traditional Chinese furniture Jiang Xin, Beijing office worker
Some attempt is now being made to rescue what is left. Ancient pagodas are being rebuilt, and elaborately painted teahouses offer tourists imperial-style banquets.
But most locals prefer Disneyland to the Ming decorative arts. Just as the "open door" reform policy has brought economic opportunities, so it has brought cultural ones.
"I do like some Chinese as well as Western movies," said Dolphin Xie, a 24-year-old assistant TV producer. "But I like romantic films the best. And Western films are much more romantic."
Like all young urban professionals, Miss Xie carries a business card, with one side in Chinese and the other in English. Her name is given in English as just Dolphin, without even so much as a Chinese surname.
Go into a typical urban professional home and you won't see much that is Chinese either - few pictures, unless torn from a magazine, and almost certainly no books. The three-piece suite, on the other hand, may well be Swedish and brand new.
China is dominated by Western advertising
"There's more Ikea these days than traditional Chinese furniture," noted Jiang Xin, a young office worker in Beijing.
The Western brands in the smart new shopping plazas use not just Western writing but Western models in their window displays.
A few years ago it was the fashion for Beijing to adorn its new skyscrapers with traditional-style Chinese roofs, complete with swooping curves and garishly coloured tiles, but these days it is thought more prestigious to bring in top architects from Europe and America.
Their individual creations crowd the skyline of Shanghai's new business district. But according to Mi Qiu, a local urban designer and sculptor, the collective result has been a disaster.
"These buildings are all totally different - they are just dumped down as if from nowhere. There is no harmony or overall concept or town planning," he said.
These architects are not helping China, he said. The quality is often not up to scratch and standards of local buildings are suffering as a result.
"Development is moving so fast that nobody stops to think."
There is not even any concept of design in today's China, according to Robert O'Brien, who lectures at Beijing Normal University's School of Communication and Design in the southern development zone of Zhuhai.
"It's like Europe in the Industrial Revolution, before the Great Exhibition. Everything just comes straight from the factory."
There is some effort to restore China's ancient culture
The only reason the West is interested in China is for its money, he said.
"And that's all China is interested in too".
But he detects some sign of change in the new middle classes, who he says may now want their children to have something better.
According to Professor Zhou Dunren, who specialises in American Studies at Shanghai's Fudan University, young Chinese have been bombarded by US culture but the pendulum could well swing back the other way.
"People are starting to wonder if all the advertisements they see in the street and on television are true. Is the dream factory in Hollywood real or fictitious?"
China's civilization has proved remarkably long-standing, said Professor Zhou.
"China has changed in the past to meet various challenges. Adaptability is a basic strength of Chinese civilisation."
Mi Qiu, the designer, also remains optimistic, saying he was confident globalisation would not prove a totally one-way street.
"The West is getting more interested in China's culture at the same time as in its economy. It is looking to us for inspiration."
Culturally, China has more to offer than just its own heritage, said Mi Qiu, and what it comes up with next may turn out to be more hybrid than home-grown.
"We can find something that is somewhere between China and the West. Something new." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tired of "western culture"....er....."western advertisement culture"?
So am I.
And soon may be the rest of the world.
Both the stories were a good little read. I live in the west and have been sick of being force fed Ameicana everything. I can only imagine how the rest of the world feels.
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:53 pm Posts: 20537 Location: The City Of Trees
tsunami wrote:
Tired of "western culture"....er....."western advertisement culture"?
So am I.
And soon may be the rest of the world.
If any part of the world does get tired of businesses that specialize in "western culture", then those companies will be put right out of business because they'll have no customers.
Interesting. I'm a huge fan of traditional Chinese culture, as much as I am a fan of classic European pagan culture. I plan to make my house look like a combination of both.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:49 am Posts: 408 Location: Illinois
I just came back from China and I have been going there for many years. It is strange to see a society that works for pennies a day become one of the strong economic countries in the world. They are building like mad out there and they have the money to do it. Until the US decides to bring manufacturing back to the states the Chinese will eventually have the money and the power to do what they want. The money they are spending on the 2008 Beijing Olympics is sick. I just exported 50 Tons of Baseball field dirt to Beijing so the fields will resemble the USA fields.
Bottom line as the Chinese pay there employees cheap they will continue to win over jobs from us americans. We need to stop corporate giants by stopping them from outsourcing jobs to China & India.
The funny thing is America is so greedy that we will never be able to stop this madness.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:36 am Posts: 3556 Location: Twin Ports
amfglobal wrote:
I just came back from China and I have been going there for many years. It is strange to see a society that works for pennies a day become one of the strong economic countries in the world. They are building like mad out there and they have the money to do it. Until the US decides to bring manufacturing back to the states the Chinese will eventually have the money and the power to do what they want. The money they are spending on the 2008 Beijing Olympics is sick. I just exported 50 Tons of Baseball field dirt to Beijing so the fields will resemble the USA fields.
Bottom line as the Chinese pay there employees cheap they will continue to win over jobs from us americans. We need to stop corporate giants by stopping them from outsourcing jobs to China & India.
The funny thing is America is so greedy that we will never be able to stop this madness.
Well put.
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