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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:31 pm 
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If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:38 pm 
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I don't want us to be fat and lazy. I want us to productive, full of energy, and therefor, more happy.

I don't know, I manage to be both fat and pretty happy.


Not that you need or are seeking my approval, but I'm glad for that. Truly.
But wouldn't you agree that getting exercise and eating healthy is beneficial to a persons well being? Therefore providing a cleaner opportunity for prosperity and happiness?

Not necessarily.

I think there's more nutritional information out there than ever before, anyone can find tips on healthy food on the internet within moments. If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it? It's presumptuous to think that overweight people just don't know any better.

I don't think that was his point. I think he was saying that a healthier lifestyle usually translates to a happier individual, which I agree with.

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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:48 pm 
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thodoks wrote:
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If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).

I was expecting that.

This is going to one of those half-baked and scattered posts, I'm on the bus and trying to study at the same time.

On choice, I don't have a problem with my taxes treating health problems caused by smoking, even though I detest smoking. I don't know how I feel about public health cover (which I'm supportive of) having a prescriptive or judgemental element: the kid who jumps off his roof and breaks his neck is a victim of his own choices too, but I don't have any issues with his health care being paid for through public taxes. Choice has an impact on a whole lot of health problems, though to varying degrees.

Apart from that, I'm sceptical about how much blame can be apportioned to weight alone being the cause of ill-health. A number of otherwise healthy and slim people keel over with heart attacks too; are they more deserving of health care than some fat dude doing the same? Weight has a role to play but health issues are often pretty complex.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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"I think there's more nutritional information out there than ever before, anyone can find tips on healthy food on the internet within moments. If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it? It's presumptuous to think that overweight people just don't know any better."

Agreed. I don't assume that overweight people "just don't know any better." In fact, I know it to be just the opposite. I have several folks close to me who have, among other problems, serious self esteem issues because of their weight. And more specifically, because they know they are doing harm to themselves, but can't seem to do anything about it. Much like the way a drug addict beats himself up. And it pains me, truly, to see loved ones think and talk bad about themselves. It really bothers me, and I guess that's why I'm involved in this thread at all.

Here's what I was trying to get at:
Our country's efforts to properly educate our children on physical health matters, specifically on nutrition, is embarrassing. "They" continue to serve absolute shit to young people on a daily basis. Corn Dogs, Burgers, Pizza, Pizza Pockets, these are their options, Mon-Fri. If that doesn't suppress their sweet tooth, they can roll over to the student store and grab candy, or chips.
If you present a kid with the option of eating like complete crap every day, for the same price or cheaper as eating something with more nutritional value, they will choose crap, 95% percent of the time.
We need to make young people afraid. Completely terrified of the health problems that poor diet and lack of exercise cause down the road. Not just because of the physical exterior aspect, and the emotional problems that stem from it. But because people are getting sick, and dying, younger than ever, because of what they eat.
We need to loosen the grip that Ronald McDirt holds on our society. We need to eat more balanced. We need to get more exercise.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:54 pm 
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We need to make young people afraid.

where's theodore bundy?

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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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Theodore Kennedy would make more sense in this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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ajurlacher1 wrote:
We need to make young people afraid. Completely terrified of the health problems that poor diet and lack of exercise cause down the road.

That sounds genuinely awful. Pity the poor chubby kid growing up in such an environment.

Being fat doesn't necessarily mean being grossly unhealthy and it certainly doesn't necessarily lead to self-esteem or mental health issues.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:17 pm 
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"Being fat doesn't necessarily mean being grossly unhealthy and it certainly doesn't necessarily lead to self-esteem or mental health issues."
Again, I totally agree. But I would argue that MOST overweight people DO have self esteem issues, specifically because of their eating habits.
Check out these links I came up with after a quick google search:
http://www.free-press-release.com/news/ ... 65743.html
http://eatingdisorder.org/assets/images ... survey.pdf
http://www.z100.com/cc-common/news/sect ... e=10059874
I mean, we're people. We're all going to have "issues," regardless of the size of our waist. Body builders have self esteem issues. So do bikini models.
BUT, that doesn't mean that it's not important to set ourselves up with as many opportunities to be successful (emotionally, socially) as possible. And that includes taking care of ourselves physically.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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And hey man, the fat, chubby kid is already getting picked on. That's always happened, and it will continue to happen.


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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do you know a guy named crepdogg?

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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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knee tunes wrote:
thodoks wrote:
spenno wrote:
If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).


that's alot of pressure


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knee tunes wrote:
thodoks wrote:
spenno wrote:
If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).


that's alot of pressure


said the furniture...


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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knee tunes wrote:
homersheineken wrote:
knee tunes wrote:
thodoks wrote:
spenno wrote:
If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).


that's alot of pressure


said the furniture...


:haha: :haha: :haha:


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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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It baffles me why anyone would do anything to arouse the wrath of the fatties.

they'd prolly move pretty slow in their wrath, though.

Not if I'm going downhill :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
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thodoks wrote:
spenno wrote:
If people know that and still eat what they want to eat, who else's business is it?

To the extent the costs associated with poor health habits are socialized, a case can be made that it's the taxpayers' business (particularly when those unhealthy habits are a function of choice).


people who smoke
people who drink
people who do not exercise
people who participate in sports

im sure i could come up with more, but all these folks use healthcare to cover their injuries because of a "choice" one makes in their life.

while its proven that being obese (im not sure the standard guidelines should be followed as they are a bit far off) leads to an unhealthier overall life being healthy also does not preclude one from just dropping dead or cancer or other things that can cause a lengthy hospital stay

also just because someone is obese does not make them "unhealthy" as i can use my own experience to disprove that.

my blood work was never bad
my cholesterol was always well with in accepted ranges
no diabetes
strong heart
good pulse
hearing fine
no glasses

all this at 6 ft and 297lbs

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