Post subject: Re: College Football Conference Realignments/Postseason Ideas
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:54 pm
Landry
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lord vedder wrote:
Now that the first domino has fallen (Nebraska) it gets interesting as things will start moving into place. Is the Big 10 going to sit pat at 12? May be, in which case it sucks to be Mizzou. Texas of course is the big prize, not so much the Longhorns directly but the state's tv markets. If the SEC were to expand I see them doing so geographically more so than schools like Florida St or Ga Tech. I wouldn't rule out looking at a Va Tech or UNC. As for Texas it does have more culturally in common with places like Georgia and Louisiana than California or Washington and travel would certainly be easier for fans and the lesser sports. And the SEC has been unusually silent on the whole thing. The Pac 10 is obviously going to follow suit and look to expand. I like it as is now but the gold rush is on. Outside of California it doesn't have much in terms of tv appeal, which is why Texas gives them dollar sign eyes. Whatever move Texas makes is going to be the key, much more than Notre Dame. I think the Big 12 days are numbered; I don't they survive without Texas who will almost certainly take A & M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma St with them. The ACC is barely hanging on as a big picture football conference and the Big East is a second thought in that regards. No matter what big time college sports are going to look a lot different three years from now.
- The Big 12 is 100 percent dead. DeLoss Dodds already gathered together UT's coaches and told them, basically, "we tried to save the Big 12. Sorry."
- Nebraska was the key, and the Big 10 wants to stop at 12 teams now. All reports suggest that the Big 10 has no interest in adding another team. If they do they've given no indication. Notre Dame would have been nice, but they gave no serious indication this week they were interested. And for Mizzou to join, the Big 10 would presumably need to add ND first. Nebraska will put pressure on the Domers in future years should the Big 10 want to expand into another 16-team mega conference, which they almost assuredly will soon.
- Sad to say, but Nebraska was always the tantalizing school for the Big 10, not Mizzou, despite the fact that Nebraska hasn't been relevant in a decade. We had one of our reporters talk to a Big 12 North guy a day or so ago, and he was told that Mizzou's best chance was to be packaged in with Nebraska. If that didn't happen, he didn't see Mizzou getting in. I don't know how much validity there was to that, but I don't see any less than five former Big 12 teams getting screwed in this.
- The scraps of the Big 12 - namely Baylor, Mizzou, the Kansas Schools and Iowa State - are basically up shit creek. MWC, CUSA... whatever conference these teams find, it won't be pretty. What this does mean is that those five get to split 75% of the Big 12's revenue until the Big 12 officially dies in 2012. That's the price the Pac 16 jumpers get for breaking contract.
- Texas was never the key in this. I think their president said something like, "We didn't start this, but we'll finish it." UT is getting a lot of blame, but it was never up to them. They basically watched to see what Nebraska did, and if the Huskers weren't fucking losers and decided to jump, Texas was perfectly fine sitting pat and keeping the Big 12. Now Colorado jumps... what is Texas supposed to do? You have to protect your own interests.
That said, it's completely sickening the degree to which money has ruined college football. 16-team football conferences - one in which any one team has absolutely no substantive history with more than half the league - are a total joke. Would not be surprised if, in 15 years, we just have four mega, 16-team conferences and the NCAA is rendered obsolete. But we'll have some form of a playoff, so it's allll okay. Fuck it.
Post subject: Re: College Football Conference Realignments/Postseason Ideas
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:21 pm
Got Some
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:04 pm Posts: 1875 Location: Atlanta, SE of Disorder Gender: Male
I don't think we're disagreeing that much parchy. Once the Big 10 made the first move then Texas became the prize. But I don't think the Texas move will be the end of it.
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Post subject: Re: College Football Conference Realignments/Postseason Ideas
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:40 pm
Administrator
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:53 pm Posts: 20537 Location: The City Of Trees
Green Habit wrote:
The split will probably be old Pac-8 in the West and new Pac-8 in the East.
Actually, here's another thought on how they could split up the teams so that there's a bit more diversity in the schedule. Do like the Super WAC used to do, and split into four quadrants, then combine them into two divisions, altering on a three year basis.
Northwest Quadrant: UW Wazzu UO OSU
Southwest Quadrant USC UCLA Stanford Cal
Northeast Quadrant Arizona ASU CU TT
Southeast Quadrant UT A&M OU Okie St.
If you stick with nine conference games, you could also set up three permanent inter-quadrant rivalries in addition to the seven division games (one of the three would be in your division at all times).
Post subject: Re: College Football Conference Realignments/Postseason Ideas
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:42 pm
statistically insignificant
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:19 pm Posts: 25134
I'm actually really excited to see how this all plays out. College football fans have railed for ages about how necessary change was (and is). Well, now we've got it.
This isn't the beginning of the end, people. It's the end of the beginning.
Post subject: Re: College Football Conference Realignments/Postseason Ideas
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:51 pm
Resident Frat Dick
Joined: Sat Mar 19, 2005 7:50 pm Posts: 10229 Location: WA (aka Waaaaaaaahhhh!!) Gender: Male
thodoks wrote:
I'm actually really excited to see how this all plays out. College football fans have railed for ages about how necessary change was (and is). Well, now we've got it.
This isn't the beginning of the end, people. It's the end of the beginning.
Good call. A decade from now, the "new" system will be the "norm" and we'll all be used to it.
In a related development, sources close to the Pac-10/Big 12 merger say the new, 16-team super conference could push for two BCS bids with the Big 12 dissolving and losing theirs.
In that case, you could have a BCS bid for the Western Division winner among USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State.
As well as a BCS bid for the Eastern Division winner among Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.
That will be met with resistance from the other BCS conferences as they try to expand and could lead to the formula of each division winner in one of the newly formed super conferences receiving a bid into an 8-team playoff.
There will need to be some representation of the non-BCS schools or legal wrangling and government hearings will overwhelm the process.
But as Orangebloods.com laid out over the weekend, there are athletic directors involved in this whole process who see this coming.
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