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COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Investigators probing an alternative medicine doctor want to speak to at least nine current or former members of the Carolina Panthers about possible illegal steroid prescriptions, a Columbia newspaper reported.
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Dr. James Shortt, a West Columbia physician, is under investigation for allegedly prescribing steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, The State said in Sunday editions. The newspaper based its story on court records and sources speaking on condition of anonymity.

Federal agents subpoenaed the Panthers for the addresses and contact information of several players as part of the probe.

"We've known about the investigation into Dr. Shortt for a short period of time and we are still trying to retrieve enough information to comment on it," Carolina general manager Marty Hurney said Sunday. "We certainly are not aware of any of our players testing positive for steroids."

Sources familiar with the investigation told the newspaper that some of the players were on the Panthers team that competed in the 2004 Super Bowl. Neither the paper nor Hurney revealed the identities of the players.

The newspaper said a sworn statement from Dave Lawrence, a State Law Enforcement Division agent, said Shortt has been under investigation since May 2004 when a Columbia bodybuilder told the Drug Enforcement Administration that Shortt had a reputation for readily prescribing steroids for patients in exchange for $1,000.

Four months later, authorities raided Shortt's Health Dimensions office and Congaree Pharmacy near the Columbia Metropolitan Airport. State and federal agents seized computer data, at least 21 boxes of patient and medical records and 256 audio cassettes, search documents obtained by The State show.

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when did i ever say that football was clean? Way to assume there buddy. Of course football players take steroids. We've had this discussion before. The difference is that baseball is a sport of records. The records are almost as important as the game. I bet most people couldn't even tell you who won the World Series in 98', but they could tell you how many homers Sosa and MgGwire hit. Also, the higher profile players in baseball are the ones most likely to have taken steroids. Tom Brady, peyton manning, Vick, Favre, Moss etc... do you think these guys have taken em? I don't. It's probably mostly lineman, linebackers, and maybe some receivers who have tken them. The "representatives" of the elite baseball players most likely have taken steroids, i don't think the high profile football players have. And baseball is about" stars", football is much more team oriented. Plus the baseball drug policy is a fucking joke. You get caught once in football and you are suspended for a quarter of the season.

Why are you bitter about me posting about steroids in baseball? It's the top story on Sportscenter almost every night. I wanted to watch the NCAA hoops highlights and the first thing i gotta see is MgGwire "might' have down steroids. of course he did you idiots! The blind faith everybody had in these guys is what pisses me off the worst. I was talking about this steroid stuff back during the "home run race". I'm just gloating about it now kinda like if you predicted a game right. Don't be bitter at me just because the sport you loved blindly for years is totally tainted.

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i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.

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i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.

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i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.


didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


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to my knowledge ive never seen clubber say football was clean

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Clubber wrote:
davo15 wrote:
i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.

i'm saying two things. One, David Boston was once a top flight receiver. Two, it doesn't matter who's taking them. The Panthers won and NFC Championship and almost a Super Bowl with nine guys named in this investigation. yet baseball is so much worse.

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didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


one year = top flight?

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davo15 wrote:
i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.


didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


haha! Just reading that statement made me laugh

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davo15 wrote:
i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.

i'm saying two things. One, David Boston was once a top flight receiver. Two, it doesn't matter who's taking them. The Panthers won and NFC Championship and almost a Super Bowl with nine guys named in this investigation. yet baseball is so much worse.


Do you even bother reading my entire posts?

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didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


one year = top flight?

that year, yes.

Brady Anderson was top flight for a year too, as was Ken Caminitti.

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davo15 wrote:
i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.


didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


haha! Just reading that statement made me laugh


boston led the nfl in yards in 01


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didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


one year = top flight?

that year, yes.

Brady Anderson was top flight for a year too, as was Ken Caminitti.


Boston was suspended for 4 games( a quarter of the year) for failing the drug test. What happened with caminiti and brady anderson? oh wait, baseball has a shitty drug policy so nothing happened.

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i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.

i'm saying two things. One, David Boston was once a top flight receiver. Two, it doesn't matter who's taking them. The Panthers won and NFC Championship and almost a Super Bowl with nine guys named in this investigation. yet baseball is so much worse.


Do you even bother reading my entire posts?

yes. I don't really feel like arguing whether stephen davis is average or about historical records, so since football's equivalent to baseball's records is super bowls i stayed on that topic.

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davo15 wrote:
i'm not bitter at you at all. It's just silly to hate one sport for something that has always been rampant in the NFL since the days of Lyle Alzado. I think you're making excuses when you say it's not high profile players. What if Stephen Davis is in this probe? Or Muhsin Muhammed? David Boston used to be considered a top receiver in the league, how is he not high profile? Not that that matters anyway.


David Boston is high profile? That's your comparison, MgGwire to David Boston? haha! And like i said, the NFL has a strict steroid policy, that baseball one is joke. And if Stephen Davis is in this probe then fuck him. He's an average back anyway. He didn't break any "historical" records.


didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


haha! Just reading that statement made me laugh


boston led the nfl in yards in 01


you completely missed my joke

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925 yards a year and 5 TDs has been his average

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didn't boston lead the league in either receptions or rec yards one year with the cardinals?


one year = top flight?

that year, yes.

Brady Anderson was top flight for a year too, as was Ken Caminitti.


Boston was suspended for 4 games( a quarter of the year) for failing the drug test. What happened with caminiti and brady anderson? oh wait, baseball has a shitty drug policy so nothing happened.

well, caminitti died because of it, so i guess that's something. baseball had no program then. If the results are what was bad about the last steroid policy perhaps people should wait for results before jumping on this one.

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925 yards a year and 5 TDs has been his average


This point was made about 8 posts ago with the MgGwire/Boston comparisons but some people still didn't get it

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925 yards a year and 5 TDs has been his average

with injuries having a lot to do with a couple seasons.

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925 yards a year and 5 TDs has been his average


This point was made about 8 posts ago with the MgGwire/Boston comparisons but some people still didn't get it

noone says boston is better than mcgwire. He is better than jeremy giambi though and look at the attention he gets compared to boston.

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