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Do you guys think that someone like Vince who is around 6'5" and all legs is much more vulnerable to serious knee or ankle injuries than a regular sized guy?


He's also what, like 240 lbs? He's not a waif. I think he'll be alright if he learns to run less, but after watching him shrug off so many college players with ease, I think he'll be able to face NFL players without TOO much worry.

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Mitchell wrote:
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Do you guys think that someone like Vince who is around 6'5" and all legs is much more vulnerable to serious knee or ankle injuries than a regular sized guy?

he's been extremely durable in college, especially when you consider he was a running qb who you almost never saw slide. in the kansas st game his rs freshman year he turned is ankle so badly that pretty much everyone watching thought he was going to be out for several games - seriously, on the tv replay it was bent nearly 90 degrees - he was back in the game the next series.

he's helped some in that regard by his elusiveness - doesn't seem to take a lot of direct hits. that will change some at the next level, obviously, but overall i would say durability is not really a concern at this point.

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VYs biggest problem at this point is that he's hired an inexperienced management team that has done a poor job of preparing and marketing him in advance of the draft.


He should have brought in the No Limit Soldiers.

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Mitchell wrote:
Serious question here:

Do you guys think that someone like Vince who is around 6'5" and all legs is much more vulnerable to serious knee or ankle injuries than a regular sized guy?



It kind of depends on how he uses his legs and if he can get that release time quicker. I think his size and strength will serve him well, he's not exactly brodie croyle or Jason white with double knee surguries. I really hope they teach im to slide in the pocket like Brady, the absolute worst pocket person he could watch is vick, a guy that is small and gets a lot of nagging injuries from his style and the fact that like Jake Plummer he often dosen't know when to give up and go to the next down.

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VYs biggest problem at this point is that he's hired an inexperienced management team that has done a poor job of preparing and marketing him in advance of the draft.


He should have brought in the No Limit Soldiers.

Yeah they certainly did an outstanding job for Ricky :x

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likeatab wrote:
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likeatab wrote:
VYs biggest problem at this point is that he's hired an inexperienced management team that has done a poor job of preparing and marketing him in advance of the draft.


He should have brought in the No Limit Soldiers.

Yeah they certainly did an outstanding job for Ricky :x


Sometimes I think these guys get way too coccooned at UT and going out into the real world is too much of a shock.

Even so, I don't see Vince falling outside the top 5. So what if he scores poorly on a meaningless test and forgets to wear a suit to the White House?! The guy is a proven winner on the field and gave arguably the greatest performance by a any player in college history in that last game.

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VINCE'S TEST SCORE YANKED



A league source tells us that the full report of the Wonderlic scores generated at the scouting combine contains one glaring omission.



There's no number listed for Texas quarterback Vince Young.



We've also been told by multiple sources that Young did not score a 16 when he took the test on Sunday. This development creates a major problem for agent Major Adams, who told The Houston Chronicle that Young got 16 of 50 questions correct in his second try at the intelligence exam.



One league insider is under the impression that Young got a six the first time around, and only a seven on his second try. We have yet to confirm this specific fact.


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shades-go-down wrote:
likeatab wrote:
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likeatab wrote:
VYs biggest problem at this point is that he's hired an inexperienced management team that has done a poor job of preparing and marketing him in advance of the draft.


He should have brought in the No Limit Soldiers.

Yeah they certainly did an outstanding job for Ricky :x


Sometimes I think these guys get way too coccooned at UT and going out into the real world is too much of a shock.

Even so, I don't see Vince falling outside the top 5. So what if he scores poorly on a meaningless test and forgets to wear a suit to the White House?! The guy is a proven winner on the field and gave arguably the greatest performance by a any player in college history in that last game.


i wouldnt argue with anyone who said it was the greatest performance ever..i cant imagine anyone topping what he did that night in a national championship game

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Mitchell wrote:
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VINCE'S TEST SCORE YANKED



A league source tells us that the full report of the Wonderlic scores generated at the scouting combine contains one glaring omission.



There's no number listed for Texas quarterback Vince Young.



We've also been told by multiple sources that Young did not score a 16 when he took the test on Sunday. This development creates a major problem for agent Major Adams, who told The Houston Chronicle that Young got 16 of 50 questions correct in his second try at the intelligence exam.



One league insider is under the impression that Young got a six the first time around, and only a seven on his second try. We have yet to confirm this specific fact.


Gimme a link to a respectable site that publishes the Wonderlic results, kind sir, and we can start to talk about this.

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you know that no site has no official copy of the results

PFT is a respectable site


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you know that no site has no official copy of the results


Aha!

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Report: Vince Young May Not Be Smart Enough To Play In NFL

March 2, 2006 | Onion Sports

INDIANAPOLIS, IN—After scoring a reported 6 on his first attempt at the Wonderlic intelligence test at last week's NFL combine, draft specialists have called into question whether University of Texas quarterback Vince Young possesses the intellectual vigor to be a successful quarterback in the NFL.

The Wonderlic, a 12-minute, 50-question exam that evaluates a player's ability to learn on the job and solve complex problems, has become the centerpiece of the NFL scouting combine's player-evaluation process, especially at the quarterback position. Many teams, such as the New York Jets and San Francisco 49ers, all but ignore arm strength, field vision, attitude, and leadership ability, electing to use a player's Wonderlic score as the sole basis for choosing a quarterback on Draft Day.

"We originally thought quite highly of Young, who ran a seemingly complicated offense at Texas," said Houston Texans general manager Charley Casserly. "He had all the tools needed to score well on a standardized test in this league. Vince's completion percentage got higher every year, he was good at picking up the blitzes, and his ability to organize an audible at the line of scrimmage was unequaled in college ball. But his inability to answer story problems, diagram sentences, and solve simple geometric equations makes us wonder if he's really as smart on the field as he's been playing."

Texans scouts observing the Wonderlic test said Young obviously struggled throughout, often fixating on his primary answer, "A," and never checking down to the other options on any given question unless pressured, when he would almost always throw it up to "all of the above." Moreover, Young's awkward mechanics during the exam drew criticism from onlookers, as he instinctually reverted to a sidearm-style delivery that often resulted in the incomplete filling-in of circles.

The Tennessee Titans, who have the third pick in the draft, had also been interested in drafting Young. Offensive coordinator Norm Chow, however, has confirmed that the interest has diminished in the wake of Young's low Wonderlic score.

"We have to consider Young based on the numbers he's put up," Chow said. "If Young's 6-for-50 completion rate on this series of assorted multiple-choice questions tells us that he's not a superior athlete, who are we to argue?"

Houston, the team with the No. 1 pick in this year's draft, had been considering replacing quarterback David Carr with popular hometown hero Young. However, for all his problems on the field, Carr scored a 24 on his Wonderlic before being taken first overall in the 2002 draft.

"Let's face it—trading an untested 6 for a known 24 is a recipe for disaster," Casserly said. "If Vince Young can't tell us how many 29-cent loaves of bread can be purchased with the $3.49 in his pocket, how can we expect him to understand the two-minute drill—let alone his own quarterback rating?"

Texans owner Bob McNair was even more emphatic.

"Vince is definitely the sexy choice here," said McNair, who is reluctant to draft another "Wonderlic bust" such as 14-point-scoring washout Dan Marino. "He's a Houston native, he can make all the throws, has a great ability to see down the field, and there's no denying he brought the NCAA championship back to the great state of Texas. But at this club, we have high intellectual standards. We believe that the fans in Houston deserve someone who can at least match his jersey number on a problem-solving test."

The Texans are not the only team shying away from the athletic, battle-tested Young following his unusually low score on the timed, multiple-choice test. Scouts and coaches from around the league could not say for certain how far Young's stock might yet plummet.

"We expected [Young] to score somewhere in the neighborhood of Vinny Testaverde, Ben Roethlisberger, or Brett Favre—instead, he tested more like a Randall Cunningham, Donovan McNabb, or Michael Vick," said a source within the Atlanta Falcons organization, who asked not to be identified. "At this juncture, we are uncomfortable saying this poor-testing quarterback can take us to the next level."

According to Casserly, many quarterbacks have struggled to adjust to the complicated offenses in the National Football League. He referred to the struggles of Chad Pennington, a Rhodes Scholar finalist at Marshall University who has underperformed in his six years in the NFL.

"The Jets couldn't get an actual Rhodes Scholar, and now they're paying the price for settling for a mere finalist," Casserly said. "We're glad that we can still avoid making that same mistake."

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If the reports were true, Young's draft stock stands to be significantly affected, especially with Cutler continuing to skyrocket up most teams' draft boards. When I asked one scout from the AFC if he thought Young would still be a top-five draft pick if the rumor turns out to be true, he answered, "Sure … as a wide receiver, though."

This was in John Clayton's article on ESPN.com. This is kind of how I've felt about Young all along. I would draft him with the number one overall pick if he agreed to play WR, he would be a lot like Terrell Owens playing WR, with his speed, size and athleticism he would be unstoppable in the open field. Lining up behind center, reading defenses and trying to get the ball to guys that are worse athletes than himself is a dumb idea.


This was my quote from 2 years ago.

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there were a whole bunch of people who thought he should play receiver in college. he wound up proving all of them wrong in a very big way. my money is on him proving all of his doubters wrong at the next level, as well.


This was the post right after mine.

Now he doesn't want to play football anymore.

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QB’s mother: Titans’ Young ‘hurting inside’

The mother of Titans quarterback Vince Young said he indicated he doesn’t want to play football and is “hurting inside and out.”


Felicia Young said in Wednesday editions of The Tennessean that her son is tired of all the negativity he’s faced after being booed during a 17-10 win Sunday over Jacksonville. On Monday, Titans coach Jeff Fisher called police to help find him.

“What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?” Felicia Young said “He may not want to deal with it (all), but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

“But we’re not talking about football right now. We’re talking about what would make him happy, and that is the most important thing.”

The phone number for Young’s home is unlisted, and his agent, Major Adams, did not answer his cell phone Wednesday morning. The Titans did not immediately return a message left by The Associated Press.

This isn’t the first time that Young has talked of wanting to quit football. He told a reporter last spring that he thought of retiring after his rookie season, a statement he said later was taken out of context.

The No. 3 pick overall in the 2006 draft, Young won the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and followed up by helping the Titans reach the playoffs last season with a 10-6 record. He has been criticized for his passing struggles, with nine touchdowns and 17 interceptions in 2007.

His mental state has been in question since being booed Sunday after his second interception during the Jacksonville game. He didn’t want to go back into the game until prodded by Fisher.

He sprained the medial collateral ligament in his left knee four plays later and could be out for up to four weeks. Fisher said Tuesday night he is only ruling Young out for Sunday’s game at Cincinnati.

Young didn’t go to the team’s offices Monday and postponed his MRI exam until Tuesday. He met with a psychologist at his home Monday along with Fisher and another team official.

Four hours of uncertainty followed Monday night when Young left his home without his phone, prompting someone at his home to call Fisher. He called police to help find the quarterback and had a meeting late Monday night with Young and police crisis negotiators at the team’s headquarters.

Young later drove home.

Felicia Young said her son needs some space. “It is hard, all he is going through right now. He’s hurting inside and out,” she told the newspaper.

“But he will be fine if people are prayerful and help my baby boy out. He is a young man. He just needs a lot of love and support.”

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this is sad.

He must be illiterate to score so low on the test.


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Coming from the perspective of a team that had Michael Vick.... I tend to think this is the beginning of the end for Vince Young. I don't think he's mentally tough enough to be a good effective long term NFL QB. He dosen't have the desire that the good ones do to get better.

It's just when people see that raw talent, they think they can mold it. Unfortunately the player has to actually listen and take criticism and become a better player, Vince Young can't handle not being the big fish in the small pond... clearly obviously he's been coddled his entire life, no team is going to be good when you have to walk on egg shells around your quarterback.

Maybe he should quit football.... but then what would he do?

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Maybe he should quit football.... but then what would he do?


Evidently go back to elementary school and flunk out...

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honestly why not let him try WR?...surely he could get some playing time there in that Titans group

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