No Sid Gillman? Halas? Bob 'Bullet' Hayes, whose speed as the fastest human ever (still true) forced the creation of the zone D? Deacon Jones? And maybe I'm a homer, but no WAY Gil Brandt makes that list over Tex Schramm or fuckin Landry.
I also have a couple issues with the guys he put on there. This is about the game-changers... what about the inspiration behind LT? The very reason LT chose #56? Yes, I'm talking about Hollywood Henderson, the first linebacker of his kind, a linebacker that actually returned a kickoff for a touchdown. I don't have an issue with LT on this list, but how do you not pay homage to the LT before there ever was an LT? Talk about a game-changer...
Oh and long before Ronnie Lott came along there was a guy named Dick "Night Train" Lane who also made the switch from Corner to Safety and was the most feared hitter of his day.
Bill Walsh's contribution is a molecule compared with what true innovators like Brown, Landry, and Gillman brought to the game. He was a sharp guy and an excellent play caller but he wasn't really much of an innovator, he simply cobbled together what he learned from Gillman and others before him and gave it a fancy title.
It seems to me like Kirwan spent about 5 minutes putting this together.
Post subject: Re: Greatest Game Changers in NFL History
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:20 am
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parchy wrote:
Oh and long before Ronnie Lott came along there was a guy named Dick "Night Train" Lane who also made the switch from Corner to Safety and was the most feared hitter of his day.
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The fact that he said Vick could be listed was a joke to me and I'm a Falcons fan.
The problem when writers make list is that they can be picked apart by anyone with half a brain. It is impossible to list ten or twenty people that changed the game without ten or twenty more players names being questioned as to why they aren't listed.
The fact that he said Vick could be listed was a joke to me and I'm a Falcons fan.
The problem when writers make list is that they can be picked apart by anyone with half a brain. It is impossible to list ten or twenty people that changed the game without ten or twenty more players names being questioned as to why they aren't listed.
Right. The point of these lists is to encourage debate. HOWEVER, Kirwan left off the most glaringly obvious names, the ones any list simply cannot be without. If you want to argue fringe guys, I think that's fine, but leaving a guy like Sid Gillman off that list is inexcusable.
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The list isn't TOO bad...if you have a memory that only dates back to the 1980s, as Kirwan does. Excellent job by parchy of listing some of the forefathers.
Post subject: Re: Greatest Game Changers in NFL History
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:20 am
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parchy wrote:
I also have a couple issues with the guys he put on there. This is about the game-changers... what about the inspiration behind LT? The very reason LT chose #56? Yes, I'm talking about Hollywood Henderson, the first linebacker of his kind, a linebacker that actually returned a kickoff for a touchdown. I don't have an issue with LT on this list, but how do you not pay homage to the LT before there ever was an LT? Talk about a game-changer...
yeah, LT would have been nothing without being "inspired" by the original OLB crackhead....
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Post subject: Re: Greatest Game Changers in NFL History
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:21 am
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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
parchy wrote:
I also have a couple issues with the guys he put on there. This is about the game-changers... what about the inspiration behind LT? The very reason LT chose #56? Yes, I'm talking about Hollywood Henderson, the first linebacker of his kind, a linebacker that actually returned a kickoff for a touchdown. I don't have an issue with LT on this list, but how do you not pay homage to the LT before there ever was an LT? Talk about a game-changer...
yeah, LT would have been nothing without being "inspired" by the original OLB crackhead....
Oh I'm not saying Hollywood was a model citizen. The guy was a douchebag of the highest order, but he was the best athlete in the NFL at the time, and by LT's own admonition, he was an inspiration. Hollywood was one of the ultimate game-changers at the position was all I was saying.
Post subject: Re: Greatest Game Changers in NFL History
Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:37 am
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parchy wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
parchy wrote:
I also have a couple issues with the guys he put on there. This is about the game-changers... what about the inspiration behind LT? The very reason LT chose #56? Yes, I'm talking about Hollywood Henderson, the first linebacker of his kind, a linebacker that actually returned a kickoff for a touchdown. I don't have an issue with LT on this list, but how do you not pay homage to the LT before there ever was an LT? Talk about a game-changer...
yeah, LT would have been nothing without being "inspired" by the original OLB crackhead....
Oh I'm not saying Hollywood was a model citizen. The guy was a douchebag of the highest order, but he was the best athlete in the NFL at the time, and by LT's own admonition, he was an inspiration. Hollywood was one of the ultimate game-changers at the position was all I was saying.
He didn't play long (or well) enough to have an impact worthy of being on a list of guys who "changed the game".
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