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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:48 pm 
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POSTED 12:15 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 1:08 p.m. EDT, June 25, 2006
WEIS, IRISH FLIRTING WITH DISASTER?

A league source with intimate knowledge of the applicable NCAA regulations tells us that Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis might have rendered quarterback Brady Quinn and other incoming seniors ineligible if, as we previously have reported, Weis has directed the seniors with designs on pro football to pick their agents before the start of the 2006 season.

Rule 12.3.1 of the NCAA bylaws states that "[a]n individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she ever has agreed (orally or in writing) to be represented by an agent for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation in that sport." Rule 12.3.1.1 elaborates on the general principle set forth in Rule 12.3.1: "An individual shall be ineligible per Bylaw 12.3.1 if he or she enters into a verbal or written agreement with an agent for representation in future professional sports negotiations that are to take place after the individual has completed his or her eligibility in that sport." A screen shot of the relevant page from the on-line NCAA manual appears below.


So what does it all mean? If Quinn or any otherof his teammates actually pick a football agentbefore the completion of their eligibility, their eligibility might be completed far sooner than they realized.

The key is that eligibility evaporates per Rule 12.3.1.1 even if there's only a verbal agreement between, for example, Quinn and agent Don Yee that Yee will represent Quinn, and that a written agreement for the representation will be signed later. Although it might be difficult for the NCAA to prove that there's a violation if Quinn and Yee mutually agree to claim that there was no agreement, the fact that Quinn is going through the process of interviewing agents and narrowing the field before his final season of college ball is strong circumstantial evidence of an intention to pick his agent while still otherwise eligible. The fact that Yee and others are participating in the process is likewise circumstantial evidence of an implicit agreement that they'll agree to represent Quinn, if picked to do so.

The broader question is whether the NCAA will dare to do anything that might result in killing the goose that lays beneath the golden dome. Our guess? The powers-that-be will stick their heads in the sand on this one, content in spewing the party line that no final selections have been made by any of the Notre Dame seniors.

Still, it's a risk that Weis would have been wise not to take, in light of the plain language of the relevant bylaws (unless, of course, he got advance approval from the NCAA that it's okay to tell his guys to pick their agents if they merely don't tell the agents they've been picked).

And what does Weis really gain by forcing the players to pick agents now?Although some league insiders think it's a brilliant strategy for minimizing distractions, it's also a possible means for fomenting resentment from players who would have preferred not to be rushed. Many factors still need to be determined, and an agent who looks to be the right choice in June might not ultimately be a player's best bet come January.

As one league insider told us on Sunday, "Weis isn't doing the kids any favors by sheltering them. He instead should be educating them so that they can make good decisions at the right time."

Indeed, the only college players who talk to agents during the seasons are the college players who want to. Really, why should Weis or any other coach tell the players that they can't use what little free time they have talking to potential agents?

Stay tuned. At a time when the media ripped ferociously into various scandals that emerged in April regarding USC, we figure that there's enough blood in the water to prompt a few of them to take a hard look at whether the efforts of Charlie Weis to minimize distractions have inadvertently created a big fat one.


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Weis is a complete moron if he actually suggested this. This is one rule of the NCAA I agree with.

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No way does the NCAA handicap their biggest ratings draw, especially since they are fielding their best team in almost 15 years. They are gonna sweep this under the rug bigtime. I'll guarantee that you'll see Quinn on the field in early September

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I bet nothing will come of this, at least not until AFTER the season. Notre Dame football is too important to the NCAA, so I think this will all go away. I wish they wouldn't get off so easy but I just have a feeling they will.


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Why isn't NCAA football and basketball like baseball and hockey in that you can be drafted by a pro team and have X amount of years to sign with the team before you go back in the draft? I know college hockey players get around this rule by having "family advisors".


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Why isn't NCAA football and basketball like baseball and hockey in that you can be drafted by a pro team and have X amount of years to sign with the team before you go back in the draft? I know college hockey players get around this rule by having "family advisors".


Because the NCAA is run by f'ing idiots who consistently contradict themselves.

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Go_State wrote:
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Why isn't NCAA football and basketball like baseball and hockey in that you can be drafted by a pro team and have X amount of years to sign with the team before you go back in the draft? I know college hockey players get around this rule by having "family advisors".


Because the NCAA is run by f'ing idiots who consistently contradict themselves.


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I bet the NFL is ringing up the NCAA behind closed doors and telling them, "We don't want our 2007 #1 pick to be out of football for his senior year. Fix it." And thus, ND is bailed out, probably for the trillionth time.


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parchy wrote:
I bet the NFL is ringing up the NCAA behind closed doors and telling them, "We don't want our 2007 #1 pick to be out of football for his senior year. Fix it." And thus, ND is bailed out, probably for the trillionth time.


The NFL doesn't even need to get involved. The NCAA constantly overlooks violations for rating/popularity purposes. Plus, I think NBC would be paying off the NCAA before the NFL would.

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Go_State wrote:
parchy wrote:
I bet the NFL is ringing up the NCAA behind closed doors and telling them, "We don't want our 2007 #1 pick to be out of football for his senior year. Fix it." And thus, ND is bailed out, probably for the trillionth time.


The NFL doesn't even need to get involved. The NCAA constantly overlooks violations for rating/popularity purposes. Plus, I think NBC would be paying off the NCAA before the NFL would.


I'm sure they weren't the first to pick up the red phone at the end of the desk in Tags' underground bunker in Utah, but you know they did at some point.


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I'd imagine there'd need to be a huge smoking gun for anything to be enforced.


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I have a friend who was drafter by the mighty ducks and he's still at college getting groomed. He says they get it way better then the Football kids.

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good luck finding evidence of Oral Contracts.

No way they kill Notre Dame when they are actually nationally relevant again as well as being a huge ratings draw.


Then again it is the NCAA.

All I could think of last night was boy I bet ESPN is pissed if this thing goes down bringing Game Day to Atlanta the first week. I still think ND beats Tech regardless but it will be a lot closer and a lot more ugly.

Why would anyone suggest any kind of relationship with an agent before or during the season, it's like asking for bad news? This has to be a misunderstanding.

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This will all come back up when the irish start 0-3.


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I like Weiss and Quinn...but I hate ND.

does that even make sense?

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YessCode wrote:
This will all come back up when the irish start 0-3.


Yeah, but remember last year when everyone thought ND would start 0-6?


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flavdave wrote:
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This will all come back up when the irish start 0-3.


Yeah, but remember last year when everyone thought ND would start 0-6?


People also thought their schedule was tough at that time too.


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I kind of hope this doesn't go through...its not as fun beating your rival when they're down, it'll be like 04 again. :D

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I'd love to see it, but ND is everyones favorite son; so yeah, it'll be fine.

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