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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:51 pm 
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I was thinking it's either baseball or football. You always hear about draft busts but it seems like the NFL has the most. This shows that it's easier to get by in college ball but have a lot of ppl have no chance in the pros. The MLB has so many minor league divisions that going from college to the majors has to be a giant leap?

What sport do you think has the biggest talent gap between college and pros?


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The jump from college hockey to the pros is pretty tough.

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I think it is definitely baseball.

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it has to be baseball perhaps because of the adjustments that need to be made to be a pro quality pitcher and to hit a pro quality pitcher.

It's just the fine aspects of the game that make it difficult to make the jump I think. There are the Andrew Jones and Miguel Cabrera's of the world but there are huge differences between the college game and the pro game, not that their aren't in all sports, and the pace of play is obviously a huge difference in hockey and football as is the size and strength of the player, but baseball is slightly less about size and strength I think. Pitching is astoundingly difficult, as is hitting at the major league level.

Unless you have a tremendous fastball and slider or change or what have you, I think you really need to develop and be proficient with at least 3 pitches to be a starter in the pros. a 94 -99 mph fastball is impossible for most of us to comprehend hitting in a batters box, but pros with such quick hands seem to be able to hit them routinely as they see them quite a bit. Maybe not the first time through but if they don't have much movement by the 3rd or 4th inning balls are flying out everywhere.


Come to think of it though, it kind of depends on your position.

If you have world class speed and agility you can probably return kicks fairly well, but it's a lot more difficult to adjust to the pro game if you're a QB, especially if you're an option or other gimmick offense QB (see Alex Smith)

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it's a difficult comparison to make because i believe football is the only one that requires draftees to play college ball.
If the three other major sports required its draftees to play college ball, I think football would probably be the one with the biggest jump.

As things are now, though, it's gotta be baseball. You've got college ball, you've got three levels of pro-am (or whatever you want to call it) ball sanctioned by MLB, plus any other leagues i'm overlooking stateside, not to mention mexican leagues, dominican leagues, japanese leagues...all of which are basically a feeder system for a collection of about 1200 guys.


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id say baseball


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i would say the NBA... considering its rosters are the smallest, it would probably be the most difficult, imo


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this is a good question.

football depends on the position. RB's can come in and dominate while a QB typically takes longer.

I've read that college baseball is the equivalent of AA baseball....so you could make the argument that baseball is toughest because guys rarely go straight to the majors before playing at all - let alone excelling.

But basketball is probably up there as well considering a guy can be an great player at a great school and then turn into a scrub in the NBA or not even get drafted.

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Don't forget the adjustment of metal to wood bats that makes the jump even more difficult for baseball players.

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mowbs wrote:
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haha

didn't u wrestle in college? i dont see you in the wwe

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warehouse wrote:
mowbs wrote:
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haha

didn't u wrestle in college? i dont see you in the wwe


I'm just laughing at the comparison. There is a reason they refer to it as "sports entertainment" and not wrestling anymore. It is not the professional standard of wrestling. Despite the fact that WWE is fake, I do think it is a lot harder on the body than people give it credit for.

However...are you familiar with this?:
http://realprowrestling.com/

They have only done one season of that so far. It'll unfortunately never pick up, though. I supported the first season and I have this shirt too:
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mowbs wrote:
warehouse wrote:
mowbs wrote:
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wrasslin


haha

didn't u wrestle in college? i dont see you in the wwe


I'm just laughing at the comparison. There is a reason they refer to it as "sports entertainment" and not wrestling anymore. It is not the professional standard of wrestling. Despite the fact that WWE is fake, I do think it is a lot harder on the body than people give it credit for.

However...are you familiar with this?:
http://realprowrestling.com/

They have only done one season of that so far. It'll unfortunately never pick up, though. I supported the first season and I have this shirt too:
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It kicks ass.

ive heard about it briefly a while ago, but ive never seen it or heard much about it. is it free style?

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leftofcenter wrote:
The jump from college hockey to the pros is pretty tough.


that's mostly because of the rule changes and the fact that the CHL is much better for conditioning. However, i don't want to sound like one of those rampant anti-NCAA i do feel it is a very good league for development, although not quite on par with the CHL.


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its gotta be baseball

when was the last time you saw a kid leave college and go directly to the majors and kick ass..rookie year right off the bat..you always see rookies that make a difference in the nba and nfl..hockey i dont follow as closely but it would seem that it would be second to baseball bec of the minor league system

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I'd say Football only because you just need that time in college to build up more muscle and get faster to even begin competing with the pros.

I know that kids who get drafted in Baseball need years to develop in the minors, but the fact remains that there are a lot of draft picks right out of high school and that there have been people who have played pro baseball and have done well at 19, 20, 21 years old. You just never see that in football. You need time to develop and get huge.


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hockey and baseball

because of all the minor league teams there are hockey has a shitload of leagues under the NHL just like baseball


football and basketball IMO are the easiest

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The difference between big-time college football and the NFL is huge. Lots of guys are able to play D1 football....the NFL....these are the very, very best, fastest, strongest, cruelest players in the world. My buddy Matt Hogg, who played a bit for the Detroit Lions, said the visciousness and sheer physical strength and mass in an NFL game compared to college is ridiculous. Let me put it to you this way....if you put an average D1 starter in a pro game in one of the four major team sports (NFL,NBA,NHL,MLB)....the average D1 college player that would stand out as not belonging out their with the pros the most would be the football player. The average college O lineman's man would sack his QB on every passing play, the average college RB would be unable to break the line of scrimmage because the 300 pounders on the line would be able to catch him, the average college QB never complete any pass downfield and would thus be forced to hand off on every play, which any NFL defense would kill...and the average defensive player, any position, would be the reason for a defensive breakdown on every play, he would stand out like a sore thumb. I guess my selling point on this would be....in baseball and basketball, a guy who wasnt good enough could hide or be hidden...imagine an average D1 baseball player, they could play their position (except pitcher) defensively pretty well and perhaps even draw a walk from time to time, and probably hit as well as an average pitcher hits (.125 or so)...then imagine an average D1 basketball player, they could probably play their spot in a zone defense fairly well and catch and pass in an offensive scheme ok, and maybe even finish once in a while on a fastbreak. But football, there just isnt anywhere to hide, I mean think about it, position by position.

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The difference between big-time college football and the NFL is huge. Lots of guys are able to play D1 football....the NFL....these are the very, very best, fastest, strongest, cruelest players in the world. My buddy Matt Hogg, who played a bit for the Detroit Lions, said the visciousness and sheer physical strength and mass in an NFL game compared to college is ridiculous. Let me put it to you this way....if you put an average D1 starter in a pro game in one of the four major team sports (NFL,NBA,NHL,MLB)....the average D1 college player that would stand out as not belonging out their with the pros the most would be the football player. The average college O lineman's man would sack his QB on every passing play, the average college RB would be unable to break the line of scrimmage because the 300 pounders on the line would be able to catch him, the average college QB never complete any pass downfield and would thus be forced to hand off on every play, which any NFL defense would kill...and the average defensive player, any position, would be the reason for a defensive breakdown on every play, he would stand out like a sore thumb. I guess my selling point on this would be....in baseball and basketball, a guy who wasnt good enough could hide or be hidden...imagine an average D1 baseball player, they could play their position (except pitcher) defensively pretty well and perhaps even draw a walk from time to time, and probably hit as well as an average pitcher hits (.125 or so)...then imagine an average D1 basketball player, they could probably play their spot in a zone defense fairly well and catch and pass in an offensive scheme ok, and maybe even finish once in a while on a fastbreak. But football, there just isnt anywhere to hide, I mean think about it, position by position.


Agree 100%


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