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So the Dolphins want to hire Nick Saban as their head coach. Probably going to make the offer as early as today. In the Dolphins eyes, the one and only guy they want is Saban. And apparently Saban might want them just as much.

Only thing is, NFL rules state you gotta interview a minority coach or face a fine, and it cant be a token interview to satisfy the rule either.

Doesnt anyone see how fucking wrong this is?

Im all for equallity, but gimme a fucking break.

So the Dolphins are going to interview, of all people, ART SHELL? ART FUCKING SHELL?

"Hey Art, were the dolphins. We want Nick Saban to coach our team badly. But the nfl says we gotta ask a minority first, and youre black, so how would you like to interview for a job that were going to give to Nick Saban?"

And shame on these coaches for actually going to interviews like the dolphins job. They should stand up to the NFL and say fuck you, this makes minority coaches look so much worse, so we aint doin it.

Does the nfl think ART SHELL is gonan go in these and blow Miami away and make them think a washed up 80's ex coach is the better choice over the hot college coach everyone is salivating over?


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I think part of the problem is that there just aren't that many legit minority coaching candidates out there for the NFL to choose from. You have the hot defensive or offensive coordinators each year, but there's never anyone coming up from college.

There's only like 2 minority coaches in all of D-1 college football. That is ridiculous. As you get more and more minorities at the college level, I think the NFL will have a larger pool of applicants to choose from. Inevitably, some of these guys will "trickle up" to the pros.

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what's wrong with Art Shell?


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what's wrong with Art Shell?



are you kidding?


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PJguy23 wrote:
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what's wrong with Art Shell?



are you kidding?

not at all. what's wrong with Art Shell?


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davo15 wrote:
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what's wrong with Art Shell?



are you kidding?

not at all. what's wrong with Art Shell?



I agree, at the same time, why not Romeo Crennel or Norm Chow?

Art Shell has loads of experience. How could he be worse than say Dave Wannedstet or the past track record of Schottenheimer?

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Electromatic wrote:
davo15 wrote:
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davo15 wrote:
what's wrong with Art Shell?



are you kidding?

not at all. what's wrong with Art Shell?



I agree, at the same time, why not Romeo Crennel or Norm Chow?

Art Shell has loads of experience. How could he be worse than say Dave Wannedstet or the past track record of Schottenheimer?


Hey Paco! Nice pick up in Hudson. I must say im jealous as to the state of our respective baseballers....

Art Shell is not a good coach. certainly not someone to reenergize a downtrotten franchise.....And while Crenel and Chow might be top notch candidates, The Dolphins would have to wait until the end of the playoffs to even schedule an interview with them, and they pretty much know they want Saban.

If they honestly had no clue as to who they might hire, and were seriously looking to find the best guy out there, then Id be all for it. But they want Saban, and they shouldnt be forced to wait 2 months to act and risk losing Saban, when everyone knows it would be a token interview anyway


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PJguy23 wrote:
So the Dolphins want to hire Nick Saban as their head coach. Probably going to make the offer as early as today. In the Dolphins eyes, the one and only guy they want is Saban. And apparently Saban might want them just as much.

Only thing is, NFL rules state you gotta interview a minority coach or face a fine, and it cant be a token interview to satisfy the rule either.

Doesnt anyone see how fucking wrong this is?

Im all for equallity, but gimme a fucking break.

So the Dolphins are going to interview, of all people, ART SHELL? ART FUCKING SHELL?

"Hey Art, were the dolphins. We want Nick Saban to coach our team badly. But the nfl says we gotta ask a minority first, and youre black, so how would you like to interview for a job that were going to give to Nick Saban?"

And shame on these coaches for actually going to interviews like the dolphins job. They should stand up to the NFL and say fuck you, this makes minority coaches look so much worse, so we aint doin it.

Does the nfl think ART SHELL is gonan go in these and blow Miami away and make them think a washed up 80's ex coach is the better choice over the hot college coach everyone is salivating over?



Right on the money.

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PJguy23 wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
davo15 wrote:
PJguy23 wrote:
davo15 wrote:
what's wrong with Art Shell?



are you kidding?

not at all. what's wrong with Art Shell?



I agree, at the same time, why not Romeo Crennel or Norm Chow?

Art Shell has loads of experience. How could he be worse than say Dave Wannedstet or the past track record of Schottenheimer?


Hey Paco! Nice pick up in Hudson. I must say im jealous as to the state of our respective baseballers....

Art Shell is not a good coach. certainly not someone to reenergize a downtrotten franchise.....And while Crenel and Chow might be top notch candidates, The Dolphins would have to wait until the end of the playoffs to even schedule an interview with them, and they pretty much know they want Saban.

If they honestly had no clue as to who they might hire, and were seriously looking to find the best guy out there, then Id be all for it. But they want Saban, and they shouldnt be forced to wait 2 months to act and risk losing Saban, when everyone knows it would be a token interview anyway



Yeah, I think rules that provide token interviews are stupid when everyone knows they are going to take Saban if he says yes. I don't see why those guys aren't getting more attention though. Look at Lovie Smith, Chicago is on shit and graham crackers for QB's 95% of this season, yet they aren't completely in the toilet. The Dolphins offense quit before the season started.

I think the NFL is trying to encourage an actual interview process, which might be better in the long run anyway, but I feel your pain here, on paper and in practice, this rule is an absolute patronising joke.

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Art Shell has a career mark of 54-38. How is that shitty, or not good or whatever you said he was?

And they wouldn't have to wait for Norm Chow. Why would they have to wait for Norm Chow but not Saban?


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davo15 wrote:
Art Shell has a career mark of 54-38. How is that shitty, or not good or whatever you said he was?

And they wouldn't have to wait for Norm Chow. Why would they have to wait for Norm Chow but not Saban?



I dont even know who this Chow guy is? I thought maybe he was an NFL coordinator.

Art Shell is not a good coach. He can barley get out of his own way. what has he ever done?

Do you really think Art Shell could take over the Dolphins and restore them to a super bowl contender? I dont, and no one else does either. Thats why hes been out of a coaching job for 10+ years. No one wants him. Why not just dig up Buddy Ryan or Chuck Knox? Look how good Gibbs is doing....these old recycled 80's coaches are not useful to todays NFL.


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davo15 wrote:
Art Shell has a career mark of 54-38. How is that shitty, or not good or whatever you said he was?

And they wouldn't have to wait for Norm Chow. Why would they have to wait for Norm Chow but not Saban?


Davo.....why are you trying to turn this into a Art Shell debate? Whats your point?

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Art Shell has a career mark of 54-38. How is that shitty, or not good or whatever you said he was?

And they wouldn't have to wait for Norm Chow. Why would they have to wait for Norm Chow but not Saban?


Davo.....why are you trying to turn this into a Art Shell debate? Whats your point?


davo = Art Shell.


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Do you really think Art Shell could take over the Dolphins and restore them to a super bowl contender? I dont, and no one else does either. Thats why hes been out of a coaching job for 10+ years. No one wants him. Why not just dig up Buddy Ryan or Chuck Knox? Look how good Gibbs is doing....these old recycled 80's coaches are not useful to todays NFL.


Gibbs is 1 win away from doing just as good as Steve Spurrier did last year. So what's your point? Anyone who knows anything about pro football knows that games are won and lost in the trenches. Not fancy college football coaches who only know trick plays. I think Art Shell knows a thing or two about the offense and defensive lines.

Check around the NFL. Look at the teams who win and look at the teams who lose. Its all about the OL and DL lines. Look at Denver for example, there OL has been falling apart the last few weeks and they've lost those games. Why do you think Atlanta is having such a great season this year?? Its because of Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach!!! The guy who left denver. Oh yeah, the offensive line coach for the Raiders when Art Shell was head coach.

Hmmm, maybe just maybe if Art Shell was head coach again he just might be able to get a great coaching staff and get someone like Alex Gibbs who is the best in the business. Look at what a great job Wade Phillips is doing with San Diego's defense. He's an old school coach kicking all the new coaches asses up and down the field. Name one defensive player on the Chargers. pffft... get a clue.

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Do you really think Art Shell could take over the Dolphins and restore them to a super bowl contender? I dont, and no one else does either. Thats why hes been out of a coaching job for 10+ years. No one wants him. Why not just dig up Buddy Ryan or Chuck Knox? Look how good Gibbs is doing....these old recycled 80's coaches are not useful to todays NFL.


Gibbs is 1 win away from doing just as good as Steve Spurrier did last year. So what's your point? Anyone who knows anything about pro football knows that games are won and lost in the trenches. Not fancy college football coaches who only know trick plays. I think Art Shell knows a thing or two about the offense and defensive lines.

Check around the NFL. Look at the teams who win and look at the teams who lose. Its all about the OL and DL lines. Look at Denver for example, there OL has been falling apart the last few weeks and they've lost those games. Why do you think Atlanta is having such a great season this year?? Its because of Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach!!! The guy who left denver. Oh yeah, the offensive line coach for the Raiders when Art Shell was head coach.

Hmmm, maybe just maybe if Art Shell was head coach again he just might be able to get a great coaching staff and get someone like Alex Gibbs who is the best in the business. Look at what a great job Wade Phillips is doing with San Diego's defense. He's an old school coach kicking all the new coaches asses up and down the field. Name one defensive player on the Chargers. pffft... get a clue.



why are there so many art shell buttboys here?

art shell was a crappy coach then, and he is now. get over it.


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zutmon wrote:
PJguy23 wrote:
Do you really think Art Shell could take over the Dolphins and restore them to a super bowl contender? I dont, and no one else does either. Thats why hes been out of a coaching job for 10+ years. No one wants him. Why not just dig up Buddy Ryan or Chuck Knox? Look how good Gibbs is doing....these old recycled 80's coaches are not useful to todays NFL.


Gibbs is 1 win away from doing just as good as Steve Spurrier did last year. So what's your point? Anyone who knows anything about pro football knows that games are won and lost in the trenches. Not fancy college football coaches who only know trick plays. I think Art Shell knows a thing or two about the offense and defensive lines.

Check around the NFL. Look at the teams who win and look at the teams who lose. Its all about the OL and DL lines. Look at Denver for example, there OL has been falling apart the last few weeks and they've lost those games. Why do you think Atlanta is having such a great season this year?? Its because of Alex Gibbs, the offensive line coach!!! The guy who left denver. Oh yeah, the offensive line coach for the Raiders when Art Shell was head coach.

Hmmm, maybe just maybe if Art Shell was head coach again he just might be able to get a great coaching staff and get someone like Alex Gibbs who is the best in the business. Look at what a great job Wade Phillips is doing with San Diego's defense. He's an old school coach kicking all the new coaches asses up and down the field. Name one defensive player on the Chargers. pffft... get a clue.



While Alex Gibbs has made a career of turning turnstiles into some semblence of a line, it's not the Kevin Schaffers that are winning games for them. Gibbs has worked some miricles with that group.

Its the Defensive line that's winning the battle for Atlanta.

Single biggest move maybe in the NFL may have been grabbing Rod Coleman from the pathetic Raiders. He is an absolute stud and he's wreaking havoc, which inturn allows Patrick Kerney to kill the QB Brady Smith to make plays from the back side, and Ed jasper to stop the run effectively.

Alex Gibbs, is a really really smart guy, but I love Ed Donatell too. Thanks, Packers, boy that was a stupid move.

Glad to see Wade Phillips doing well, he's finally got the right personell for that 3-4 that just didn't work at all in Atlanta.

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The reason a minority candidate should take an interview if the Dolphins ask, knowing they have next to no chance to get the job, is to gain exposure. Say you do really well, Wayne Hurzenga (sp?) will tell other owners about you. Then, when those teams have a vacancy, you get a legit interview with them. Or say Saban bombs and gets canned in a year or two. Who do you think the Dolphins call to interview? Plus, just being interviewed raises other teams awareness of you. In a copy cat league like the NFL, it doesn't take much to suddenly become the "hot" candidate.

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As a former black coach myself, I too think this is stupid.

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As a former black coach myself, I too think this is stupid.



what you're white now?

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Electromatic wrote:
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As a former black coach myself, I too think this is stupid.



what you're white now?


I dont want to talk about Eric Snow.

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