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As far as the greatest players/coaches not to win a pro championship...
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pearljamminagain wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
While I respect Ensign9's nomination of Marv Levy, I don't believe that a coach can really win this kind of contest. Unlike a player, who can be great but on a team full of hubbas for his whole career (see Ernie Banks, Ted Williams), a coach is responsible for making the most of the players he has to work with, and inability to close the deal (like Marv Levy) should not be applauded in this way.
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agreed... anyone can coach four Super Bowl LOSSES
(now getting there is another story, but this is about WINNING it, not just arriving)
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May Day 10 wrote:
I was going to mention LaFontaine, but I think he won in his rookie year with the Islanders...although I'm not 100% positive
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May Day 10 wrote:
LaFontaine was a rookie the year that Edmonton won their first cup.
Hmm...I guess that makes sense...LaFontaine was an olympian...so he must have come into the league in 84...
good call by you!
LaFontaine is a class act...and one of the all time greats. If not for injuries, he could have hung on in this era of free agency and found a team to win with (ala brett hull)
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tsunami wrote:
On a different sport.
Never won Olympic gold (but has won worlds): Michelle Kwan.
I think world championships count as championships....
although....for some reason...I thought she won the gold.
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Did some Michelle Kwon research. I guess she won a couple olympic silvers....but she did win 3 world championships....It's tough to say she's not "won" anything.
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Purple Hawk wrote:
Did some Michelle Kwon research. I guess she won a couple olympic silvers....but she did win 3 world championships....It's tough to say she's not "won" anything.
Very true.
Although the Olympic gold is the one you want!
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I have to go with Marino. It's definitely a tough call. However, when it comes to one player carrying his team for more years than any other without any championships to show for it, I think he stands out. Barry Sanders was amazing, but he didn't stick it out (not that I blame him). Hell, Dan considered playing for the Vikings cause he wanted a ring so badly. That he chose to retire with the team he played with his entire career is another reason I think he deserved a title more than any other pro.
An individual baseball player just can't have the same impact that a QB has on his team. Same can be said for the NHL. As for basketball, I just can't pick out a player that was a dominant as Marino was in the NFL. Yes, Ewing is a HOFer, but he wasn't nearly in the category of Dan.
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1. John Stockton / Karl Malone
2. Charles Barkley
3. Patrick Ewing
Big O Robertson won the '71 title with Kareem, Jerry West won the '72 title with Wilt "The Stilt" Chamberlain, who also won the '67 title. I can't remember any other titleless great player right now .
Post subject: Re: Greatest Player/Coach Not To Win A Championship
Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:29 pm
Yeah Yeah Yeah
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Athletic Supporter wrote:
ledbetter10 wrote:
Who do you think? Out of all the major sports, who deserved to win a title but didn't??
My vote is Dan Marino
Hard to choose between him and Teddy Ballgame. It's a tie.
i agree... Marino and The Frozen Splinter were at the top of their game ...
and I've decided that Bonds is guilty of juicing... just look at the size of his head!!! everyone says to "prove it" ... which isn't possible... so I held a trial in my bathroom and me and a couple of kids in the pool found him guilty
all the reggie miller posts should be deleted ... he's far from "greatest" ... I think Cheryl is more talented ... and yes... I'm the one that got the Cheryl chant going in the fleetcenter in the playoffs he has a nice shot.. that's it... the rest of his game is cheating and whining
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he has a nice shot.. that's it... the rest of his game is cheating and whining