So I just read that Ripken and Gywnn will fall short of being the first unanimous players voted in to Cooperstown, and its because some moron journlist thinks the world needs him to be the moral compass of baseball and submitted a blank ballot in protest of steroids

I think its a disgrace for these sportswriters who actually have a HOF vote to do something so stupid like this. They should forfiet their right to vote. Way to take a stand, by ignoring the accomplishments of two players as deserving as Rip and Gwynn.

with that said, another year will pass without a lot of deserving players not even coming close to getting in. The two closest to me are Steve Garvey and Gil Hodges. it baffles my mind how these two are not in, its a crying shame. Garvey was thee premier first baseman of the 70's and early 80's, and Gil was, well, go look at his stats or talk to anyone who had the honor to watch him play. Maybe one day the Vet Comittee will put Hodges in like he belongs.

another year Ron Santo wont make it.. pretty sad

if Mark Mcguire makes it i would lose almost all of the respect for the game i have.. but im pretty confident he wont

Jack fucking Morris. He's getting screwed.

I think it's asinine that sportswriters are the ones to vote on the HOF anyways. Most of them are just jealous wannabe athletes, who like to stick it to the famous players in an effort to make a name for themselves.

i think it's hilarious that sportswriters sit back and claim moral superiority over a guy like mark mcguire.

they love ripping mac probably most for fame and money. yea, sure, i'll come on your show and rip this guy to get my name out there. and you expect me to believe the writers wouldn't take something that would make them tons of money?

keep in mind there's really is NO proof he ever used steriods.

read this piece by the sports guy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... ons/070103

Normally, I enjoy the week the Baseball Hall of Fame inductees are announced. Not this year. With Mark McGwire's inclusion on the 2007 ballot, we have officially entered the Let's Blackball the Potential-Steroids-Guy Era.

McGwire had his shot at a public redemption ... and called for an intentional walk.Some writers won't vote for McGwire because he probably used steroids -- keep in mind there's never been proof that he did, other than a visible bottle of andro and those 135 pounds of muscle he added from 1990 to 2002 -- which would be fine if they weren't so pious about it. Not content with simply dismissing McGwire's candidacy and moving on, they need to climb on their high horses and rip the guy to shreds. Of course, many of them would appear on any radio or TV show for 50 bucks and a free sandwich. We're supposed to believe they would refuse the chance to take a drug that would enable them to do their job twice as well and make 10 times as much money? Yeah, right.

These people have now become the self-proclaimed moral arbiters of baseball, and they need you to know that Big Mac cheated, disgraced the game, deceived the public, tainted the record books and pushed the sport into a spiritual free fall. They rush to tell you that they can't vote for McGwire because their conscience won't allow it. San Jose Mercury News columnist Ann Killion wrote that she can't vote for McGwire because she wouldn't be able to explain it to her kids.

She concluded her column with this: "All I can do is cast my own vote judiciously. And be able to look my kids in the eyes when I do it."

Ann, I'm glad you're such a thoughtful mom. Seriously, that's great. But a vote for McGwire isn't exactly an endorsement of drug use. And anyway, part of our country's problem is the shortsighted way we "protect" our kids from life's harsh realities. Janet Jackson's nipple slip was such a traumatic moment for Americans that some live sporting events now run on tape-delay, and Howard Stern fled to SIRIUS to escape the clutches of the increasingly fascistic FCC. Meanwhile, any kid can glimpse Britney's crotch if he or she is even remotely familiar with Google, and anyone can be slandered anonymously on a blog or message board.

Look, our country is screwed up. Whether we like it or not, people will always gamble, use illegal drugs, drink and drive, cheat on their spouses, cheat on tests, lie and steal, ditch their families, swear and fight, use performance-enhancing drugs. Banishing Mark McGwire from Cooperstown isn't going to make any of that go away. Let's stop pretending that the Baseball Hall of Fame is a real-life fantasy world -- a place where we celebrate only the people and events we can all unanimously agree deserve to be celebrated -- and transform it into an institution that reflects both the good and bad of the sport. Wait -- wasn't that Cooperstown's mission all along? Shouldn't it be a place where someone who knows nothing about baseball can learn about its rich history? Isn't it a museum, after all?

If that's the case -- and I say it is -- then how can we leave out Pete Rose, the all-time hits leader and most memorable competitor of his era? And how can we even consider leaving out McGwire, Barry Bonds and Sammy Sosa, the three most memorable hitters of the 1990s? We're supposed to stick our heads in the historical sand and pretend these people were never born? Imagine if the rest of the world worked like this. Word is, JFK cheated on his wife. Should we change the name of the airport and remove all his memorabilia from the Smithsonian?

McGwire boasts some undeniable credentials:

-- He was the most famous slugger of his era and one of the most intimidating physical presences in sports history. While he was at his apex, you didn't turn the channel when he was at bat. Under any circumstance.
-- He broke an untouchable record (Maris' 61), belted 245 homers over a four-year span, finished with 583 home runs (seventh on the all-time list) and made 12 All-Star teams.
-- He appeared in a Bash Brothers poster with Jose Canseco that nearly shattered the Unintentional Comedy Scale.
-- He's the most successful athlete of all time with flaming red hair.
-- When a painful strike canceled the 1994 World Series and nearly killed the sport, two events got people caring again: Cal Ripken's breaking Lou Gehrig's consecutive-games record in 1995, and McGwire's and Sosa's battling for Maris' record three years later. Watch the end of "61*" sometime, or reread Mike Lupica's gushing book, "Summer of '98." (Note: Lupica now argues that Big Mac doesn't belong in the Hall. He never says anything about returning the profits from his book, however.) The home run chase meant something back then. And by the way, when it was going on, we all chose to overlook the fact that McGwire was a can of green paint away from being the Incredible Hulk and that Sosa looked like he was developing a second jaw. Let's not forget that.
-- When McGwire finally broke Maris' record, his subsequent handshake-hug with Sosa was the single most awkward sports-related moment since Apollo and Rocky embraced on the beach in "Rocky III." That's gotta count for something.
-- His "I'm not here to talk about the past" speech is running in a dead heat with Denny Green's "They were what we thought they were!" rant for the honor of Most Ridiculously Enjoyable Public-Speaking Sports Moment of the Decade.
-- Unlike Bonds, McGwire actually seems ashamed about what he might have done.

Forget the fact that there were no testing procedures in place to catch him. If he took steroids, he did break the rules. All that does is give him something in common with Hall of Famers like admitted ball doctorer Gaylord Perry and Ty Cobb, a virulent racist who deliberately tried to hurt other players and was accused of fixing at least one game. Are we really going to play the morality card for Big Mac when Cobb is in the Hall? Who's OK with this?

I hate to break the news to Ann Killion's kids, but people have been cheating in baseball for decades. They've fixed games, stolen signs, corked bats, slimed balls, popped greenies and, yes, injected steroids and rubbed HGH cream. We're told that baseball is America's pastime, the implication being that it mirrors real life. And you know what? It's true. A long time ago, Babe Ruth showed us that athletes, like everyone else, are imperfect. More recently, Rose hammered home the point for any of us who might have forgotten it. What did McGwire make clear? That human beings are always searching for an edge, and when they find it, they use it.

If we really want to do the right thing, let's vote in Rose and McGwire as soon as possible, then inscribe on Rose's plaque that he's a dirtbag who bet on his own team, and inscribe on McGwire's that he almost definitely used performance enhancers and wouldn't answer questions about it under oath. And if that information is too sobering for your kids, well, don't take them to Cooperstown. Take them to Disneyland.

It's a fantasy park.

I believe Mac deserves to be in, this isnt the hall of good guuys, its the hall of fame. his plaque will say hes suspected of steriod use, and thats that. but these guys act all hollier than though but go back to 1998, see what these people were writing about to sell all those papers after every HR MAc and Sammy hit.....what a joke

He has no chance of making it now or in the next 5 years, and probably no chance ever as 500 homeruns is becoming like a one thousand yard rushing season..

cb i read that a while back, and I agree with it. He deserves to be in, Sosa, Bonds, they all deserve to be in.

I don't have a problem with sticking it to McGwire this time. I believe he'll get in the 2nd or 3rd time around and I'm fine with giving him a "fuck you" on his first ballot.

not to mention the whole world knows MLB used juiced balls in the late 90's to make the HRs fly and get the fans back in stands

the hall provides two things:

-- a place where the greatest players to ever play are recognized.
-- a place where those players are remembered forever for the historal aspect.

thats ok, but simply dont vote for him, but to not vote entirely for guys like Rikpen just because you want to get your hypocritical agenda validated is a joke

Like someone else's thoughts? That's what bugs me about sports radio & journalists. Most take essentially the same stance, yet try to act as if it's a unique perspective. All the ESPN radio guys are way guilty of this. If you've heard Mike & Mike in the morning, you might as well not tune in the rest of the day. It's all just regurgitated after that show, all damn day.

Don't mean to hijack the thread into a anti-sportsjournalist rant. I just can't imagine how much that must piss off a big football player being criticized and told he sucks by John Clayton. Or a baseball star facing the similar criticism of Tim Kurkjian. I don't think either of those guys could chew gum and walk straight at the same time.

exactly, and pretending the steroids issue never happened, or pete rose never existed is bullshit. hey when i go to cooperstown in march Ill tell the folks in charge!

lol Sosa?

u just said the balls were juiced in the late 90s not to mention this goon corked his bat

oh yeah im a diehard cubs fan...

how does he deserve to be in?

challenge em sandy, if you strike hout the head hauncho then pete and mark get in

Oh, I agree. The guy is a jackass. Although, I don't necessarily believe Ripken should be unanimous, and definitely not one of the first to be. My sister would beat me to a pulp with a sledgehammer for saying that.

Ripken and Gwynn shouldn't be unanimous... a lot better players weren't

he hit nearly 600 homers -- and strung together four seasons of 50 plus.

every generation has some 'flaw.' for how long did many of the players in the hall play in a white-only league? or face pitchers that only threw fastballs? should we kick babe out?