Ozzie is a loose cannon! he must be stopped at all costs! I will lead a cruisade with Jay Marriotti to get Ozzie fired and ban him from baseball forever!

Wow, you played HS baseball, you are an expert

And you've still seem to think that throwing a lethal weapon at someone is ok and then justify it with a "well everyone does it" excuse. Let me guess, your were the guy in HS baseball that thought it was cool to chuck warm up pitches at batters in the on-deck circle who were trying to time you, because hey, everyone does it? Who cares if someone goes blind or dies from it, as long as the goal is winning and maintaining tradition? If someone's life is fucked, well, that is part of the game. MLB doesn't think so and tha'ts why warnings are supposed to be given out right away when people get hit.

Maybe you don't know anyone from your glory HS days taht's been seriously injured from this crap but I do (because of a fucking retaliation pitch) and it's serious. It's a shame that you put competitiveness over safety. Don't forget it's just a game...

If you really believe that, then you had no business in the game either. It's a shame if you value a game, and it's violent pasttime idiosyncrasies over human life and welfare.

I've seen alot of garbage posted on these boards, this is got to be tops. I actually had to read your post twice to make sure you actually typed that shit. Reading is a skill. I never said that "Just because other managers do it, it makes it okay." You said that. What i was trying to say is that since every manager across the both leagues actually have played the game and know the game alot more than me, and certaintly alot more than you, that it IS part of the game, and has been for hundreds of years. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GO PLAY CRICKET! And im not one of those jocks that puts competitiveness over safety. Correct me if im wrong, has anyone died or gone blind from getting hit in the ribs or the ass? No. You sound like Tipper Gore for christ sake. You just type a bunch of garbage and hope it sticks. The whole part of my argument is that throwing at batters and headhunting are completely different. You still fail to understand that. Everyone knows across baseball that throwing at batters above the shoulders is a no no. So, your originally statement that Ozzie Guillen is a head hunter is not only false, its absurd, and idiotic. If you don't like the way he manages, fine, if you don't like his potty mouth , fine, if you don't like him because he speaks his mind, fine, but don't you tell me or anyone with a brain that he is a head hunter.

Rowand to the Giants.

So the White Sox missed out on:

1. Tori Hunter
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Fukudome
4. Rowand

So now what?

i'd say they really only missed out on cabrera, and even still, he wasn't open to anyone. the other two are older free agents who are getting paid too much (i'm just assuming this about the rowand deal). fukedome's an unknown commodity.

They pushed hard for Hunter and Rowand. And with Kenny Williams saying that they would land a big fish this offseason, I would say that they struck out in FA.

i see what you mean, but from my point of view, i'd say williams got lucky without knowing it.

Oh I agree. I wouldn't have paid Hunter the money that he got. I probably would have offered more for Fukudome, but Williams didn't because he thought that he'd land Rowand. I just find it funny that Williams goes on record saying what he said and then came away with nothing. If they're going to have a $120 million payroll, the least that they could do is finish with more than just a couple more wins than KC.

I have a bad, bad feeling about this summer on the South Side. Who knows, maybe there is a plan "E"??

1. Thank god KW didn't give Hunter 90 million
2. They never had the horses to get Cabrera.
3. The White Sox were not outbid by the cubs.
4. They weren't willing to give Rowand a 5th year. Aaron Rowand himself wouldn't have turned this team around.

So i really can't blame kenny williams, i just don't think the pieces were in place for them to succeed this year. They need to put their money away for this year, and see if guys like Brian Anderson, Carlos Quentin, Ryan Sweeney, Jerry Owens, David Richar, Lance Broadway, Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez can play. Make your evaluations at the end of the season, trade those that could bring you serious value back like a Cabrera did this year, and make a splash in FA next year with the excess money that they will have.

That being said, KW will be trading a lot in the next couple of months. I wouldn't be surprised if a guy like Konerko will be traded before spring training.

i am not saying that Sox fans should be up in arms about missing out on some of these moves. however the Sox still have the same glaring holes they started the offseason with so as time passes and they aren't addressed you've gotta find it a little unsettling.

Yes it is, however, i don't want them to compound the problem by giving away money and guys that are not worth it now, or going into it with the mindset that they have to win now because they planned on doing that going into this winter.

Face it pnjguy, this has not been a good offseason for the Sox to say the least. And the fact that the Sox were not outbid by the Cubs has to make it even worse.

My favorite Kenny Williams' quote this offseason: (on the Tigers obtaining Miguel Cabrera) "It definititely puts them in a better position to compete with us." This from a team that finished with 90 losses last year.

I know, that was hilarious. I think Dye wasn't happy about moving to left or something. And yes, its been a bad offseason, but in the end it may be a blessing in disguise. The first time in a while I think we don't have a chance before the season starts.

90 loses yes, but you guys have owned the Tigers the last few years.

That said, I think KC will finish with a better record than the White Sucks this year.

I'm a Tigers fan . . .

I think there were a couple of things going on with Fukudome. Besides the money, he wanted to be the first Japanese player on a particular club, and he didn't want to piss off Dye. I can't blame Williams for losing out on him.

So do they trade Konerko?

I think they wouldn't mind it, Konerko would have to okay anything, and the way the teams has turned out, i think he would go to a place like Anaheim. Maybe they package Konerko, Crede and a mid-level prospect for Figgins and Santana.

I thought Konerko's 10/5 rights don't kick in until May.

This is correct.

And does he seriously think Konerko and Crede would get Figgins and Santana?