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I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
_________________ "They got their dirty maize-and-blue hands on it, they screwed it up." --Chris Spielman on Ohio State-Michigan rivalry
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
he's not perfect but 25 pts/6 rebounds a game is nothing to sneeze at.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
Post subject: *Official 2007 NBA Offseason Thread*
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:25 pm
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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Joesanity wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
he's not perfect but 25 pts/6 rebounds a game is nothing to sneeze at.
He isn't a guy you should be spending over 1\4th of your salary cap on.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
he's not perfect but 25 pts/6 rebounds a game is nothing to sneeze at.
He isn't a guy you should be spending over 1\4th of your salary cap on.
what's the alternative? let him go and give less money to a lesser player? Carter has his faults, but guys like him are the guys you give the big $$ to. I see your point about Carter - but almost EVERY guy in the league is overpaid in terms of years and dollars. You may as well overpay for the guys who are productive/durable.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
he's not perfect but 25 pts/6 rebounds a game is nothing to sneeze at.
You're right, it's not. I guess I just see the Nets as kind of stuck. They'll contend for a playoff spot but they won't go anywhere and they can't just let Carter go.
_________________ "They got their dirty maize-and-blue hands on it, they screwed it up." --Chris Spielman on Ohio State-Michigan rivalry
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:26 am Posts: 7994 Location: Philadelphia
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
Joesanity wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
I see they aren't learning from their mistakes and signing players like Vince Carter and Rishard Lewis to Huge long term deals. unreal. I hate the NBA more and more every offseason.
four years for Vince isn't that bad.
Yeah, Nets fans would be happy to watch someone with no heart or guts play another four years for them.
he's not perfect but 25 pts/6 rebounds a game is nothing to sneeze at.
He isn't a guy you should be spending over 1\4th of your salary cap on.
what's the alternative? let him go and give less money to a lesser player? Carter has his faults, but guys like him are the guys you give the big $$ to. I see your point about Carter - but almost EVERY guy in the league is overpaid in terms of years and dollars. You may as well overpay for the guys who are productive/durable.
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
Nets were hurt by injuries to their frontcourt last year. If they can swing a deal for JO, they're probably a 45-50 win team. While Kidd is there, they may as well go for it.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
My favorite Vince moment from the playoffs was Game 6 of the Cleveland series.
As the Cavs begin to put the game and the series away in the fourth quarter, Vince misses another of his ugly fadeaways and as he trots back on defense he starts limping as if he's trying to use it as an excuse for disappearing again when his team needs him.
_________________ "They got their dirty maize-and-blue hands on it, they screwed it up." --Chris Spielman on Ohio State-Michigan rivalry
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
who should they give it to? Kidd isn't getting any younger. Biting the bullet doesn't make sense when you're best player is owed huge money over the next two years anyway. As I said, he has his faults...but how many guys at his position are better than him? And how many of those guys are even available?
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
My favorite Vince moment from the playoffs was Game 6 of the Cleveland series.
As the Cavs begin to put the game and the series away in the fourth quarter, Vince misses another of his ugly fadeaways and as he trots back on defense he starts limping as if he's trying to use it as an excuse for disappearing again when his team needs him.
but who would you rather have at big money: Carter or Larry Hughes?
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
who should they give it to? Kidd isn't getting any younger. Biting the bullet doesn't make sense when you're best player is owed huge money over the next two years anyway. As I said, he has his faults...but how many guys at his position are better than him? And how many of those guys are even available?
That mentality is why teams get stuck with the likes of Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Brian Grant, Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Theo Ratliff, Larry Hughes, Peja Stojakovich.....should I go on??
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:26 am Posts: 7994 Location: Philadelphia
Here's how I can translate what NBA GM's do when they pay players. Say they were buying a car...
"Well, I have 70 grand set aside to spend on a car, I could shop around and wait for the best deal on this BMW that I love but you know what? Fuck it. I'm gonna get a Toyota and I'll give them all 70k for it."
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
My favorite Vince moment from the playoffs was Game 6 of the Cleveland series.
As the Cavs begin to put the game and the series away in the fourth quarter, Vince misses another of his ugly fadeaways and as he trots back on defense he starts limping as if he's trying to use it as an excuse for disappearing again when his team needs him.
but who would you rather have at big money: Carter or Larry Hughes?
Easily Carter. That one moment, to me, summed up Carter's entire career. (If you can't tell, I don't think too highly of him)
_________________ "They got their dirty maize-and-blue hands on it, they screwed it up." --Chris Spielman on Ohio State-Michigan rivalry
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
who should they give it to? Kidd isn't getting any younger. Biting the bullet doesn't make sense when you're best player is owed huge money over the next two years anyway. As I said, he has his faults...but how many guys at his position are better than him? And how many of those guys are even available?
That mentality is why teams get stuck with the likes of Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Brian Grant, Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Theo Ratliff, Larry Hughes, Peja Stojakovich.....should I go on??
but Carter is better than all of those guys (except for pre-injury Webber). If he's the best player on your team...you have problems...but he's a perfect complement for Kidd. If you're the Nets, you have to bring him back. Ideally it would have been for 2-3 years...but that's asking too much.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
Here's how I can translate what NBA GM's do when they pay players. Say they were buying a car...
"Well, I have 70 grand set aside to spend on a car, I could shop around and wait for the best deal on this BMW that I love but you know what? Fuck it. I'm gonna get a Toyota and I'll give them all 70k for it."
that happens in every sport. But overpaying is more damaging in the NBA because of the smaller rosters/salary cap/trade restrictions.
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
who should they give it to? Kidd isn't getting any younger. Biting the bullet doesn't make sense when you're best player is owed huge money over the next two years anyway. As I said, he has his faults...but how many guys at his position are better than him? And how many of those guys are even available?
That mentality is why teams get stuck with the likes of Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Brian Grant, Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Theo Ratliff, Larry Hughes, Peja Stojakovich.....should I go on??
but Carter is better than all of those guys (except for pre-injury Webber). If he's the best player on your team...you have problems...but he's a perfect complement for Kidd. If you're the Nets, you have to bring him back. Ideally it would have been for 2-3 years...but that's asking too much.
I don't agree...yeah maybe 4 years ago he was better than all those guys but you are paying him to play from next season on. He is going to be a moderately good player over that time. If I'm the GM of the Nets I let Carter walk, blow this season off and go after one or more the following free agents in 2008: Dwight Howard, Ben Gordon, Elton Brand, Okafor, Arenas, Jermaine O'Neil, Marion.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
The alternative is to bite the bullet until a better free agent comes along. Someone worthy of making that kind of money. I hate that they give fringe stars max money because they are "the best available". Now they are stuck for the next 4 years with him, paying him that money and now have limited flexibility to improve the team.
Anyway, I watched some of the Nets games last year and all of their playoff games. You couldn't find a better example for the term "hollow numbers" than with Vince Carter. His game is such garbage that I get angry watching him play.
who should they give it to? Kidd isn't getting any younger. Biting the bullet doesn't make sense when you're best player is owed huge money over the next two years anyway. As I said, he has his faults...but how many guys at his position are better than him? And how many of those guys are even available?
That mentality is why teams get stuck with the likes of Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Brian Grant, Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Theo Ratliff, Larry Hughes, Peja Stojakovich.....should I go on??
but Carter is better than all of those guys (except for pre-injury Webber). If he's the best player on your team...you have problems...but he's a perfect complement for Kidd. If you're the Nets, you have to bring him back. Ideally it would have been for 2-3 years...but that's asking too much.
I don't agree...yeah maybe 4 years ago he was better than all those guys but you are paying him to play from next season on. He is going to be a moderately good player over that time. If I'm the GM of the Nets I let Carter walk, blow this season off and go after one or more the following free agents in 2008: Dwight Howard, Ben Gordon, Elton Brand, Okafor, Arenas, Jermaine O'Neil, Marion.
Carter should still play at his current level for at least two years. He may start dropping off...but his shooting alone will make him a valuable offensive player after his athleticism starts to decline. As for the guys you mentioned...that's all nice...but we're talking about the Nets. How many big name free agents have they ever signed?
_________________ “You’re good kids, stay together. Trust each other and be good teammates to one another. I believe there is a championship in this room.”
-Ernie Accorsi in his final address to the NY Giants locker room before retiring as GM in January of 2007
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