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 Post subject: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:53 pm 
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BOSTON - Boston Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling called on Roger Clemens to give up the four Cy Young Awards he's won since 1997 if he can't clear his name from allegations that he used steroids to prolong and enhance his career.

"If he doesn't do that then there aren't many options as a fan for me other than to believe his career 192 wins and three Cy Youngs he won prior to 1997 were the end," Schilling wrote Wednesday in his blog, 38pitches.com. "From that point on the numbers were attained through using (performance-enhancing drugs). Just like I stated about Jose (Canseco), if that is the case with Roger, the four Cy Youngs should go to the rightful winners, and the numbers should go away if he cannot refute the accusations."

Schilling noted in the 3,200-word posting that he was a fan of the seven-time Cy Young Award winner who owed much of his success to a stern talking-to he received from Clemens when Schilling was a young pitching prospect.


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warehouse to shilling: shut the fuck up already

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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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Schilling really outta shut the fuck up once in a while

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warehouse wrote:
warehouse to shilling: shut the fuck up already

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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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curt schilling has become remarkably hated since being a prince back in 2001 with the diamondbacks.

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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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I love watching him pitch well at least i did in his prime, but i hate it when he has something to say. Does anyone actually read his blog?


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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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i don't get why it's schilling's fault?

no one is forcing anyone to read the drivel he puts on his site?


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I think Schilling found the magical manual on how to go from a respected underdog to obnoxious old guy who feels the need to speak out about any and everything, even when it doesn't concern him. :throwup:

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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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warehouse wrote:
warehouse to shilling: shut the fuck up already


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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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does anyone agree with schilling?


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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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sorta. i think we should erase all stats from 1997 to last year, then erase all contracts and start over again completely, starting with a draft in which owners will base how good a player is on his clutchness.

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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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does anyone agree with schilling?


sure why not... he cheated... give em back


and i have a question... why is your avatar an upclose painting of a sweat hole?


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 Post subject: Re: Schilling to Clemens:Give Back Cy
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Love him or hate him: Schilling is right on about this one, although I suspect Clemens used while playing for the Sox, as well.

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Love him or hate him: Schilling is right on about this one, although I suspect Clemens used while playing for the Sox, as well.

Schilling is wrong on this one. Your records shouldn't be stricken for mere accusations. If there was concrete proof, I'd agree. And as much as I believe Clemens was a juicer, I can't prove it.

Schilling however can do no wrong in my mind. What he did in october of 04 gives him the right to say whatever the fuck he wants.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
curt schilling has become remarkably hated since being a prince back in 2001 with the diamondbacks.

:?: He was disliked around MLB long before he got to Arizona.

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Ricardo Tubbs wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
curt schilling has become remarkably hated since being a prince back in 2001 with the diamondbacks.

:?: He was disliked around MLB long before he got to Arizona.

to fans, i meant.

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innocent till proven guilty. its not up to clemens to prove his innocence, clear his name. put aside your hate (for once) for clemens and/or schilling, that is how it works in this country.

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Were the substances Clemens allegedly used banned by baseball in the time period he allegedly used them (1998-2001)?

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Coach wrote:
Love him or hate him: Schilling is right on about this one, although I suspect Clemens used while playing for the Sox, as well.

Schilling is wrong on this one. Your records shouldn't be stricken for mere accusations. If there was concrete proof, I'd agree. And as much as I believe Clemens was a juicer, I can't prove it.

Schilling however can do no wrong in my mind. What he did in october of 04 gives him the right to say whatever the fuck he wants.


im not even a sox fan and i agree with this. the man talks a lot but ya know what? a lot of the time he's speakin the truth. he makes pretty valid points. innocent until proven guilty? not now. not in this era. that's a fuckin pipe dream now. there is so much circumstantial evidence in cases now that isn't usable technically in court but if you were allowed to use common sense would convict so many people. clemens used, so did barry. take away the cy's he won after he was doping but keep the records because those are too hard to fuck with. simply handing the cy to mulder, johnson and pedro is an easy fix.

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MikeyIsGod wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Coach wrote:
Love him or hate him: Schilling is right on about this one, although I suspect Clemens used while playing for the Sox, as well.

Schilling is wrong on this one. Your records shouldn't be stricken for mere accusations. If there was concrete proof, I'd agree. And as much as I believe Clemens was a juicer, I can't prove it.

Schilling however can do no wrong in my mind. What he did in october of 04 gives him the right to say whatever the fuck he wants.


im not even a sox fan and i agree with this. the man talks a lot but ya know what? a lot of the time he's speakin the truth. he makes pretty valid points. innocent until proven guilty? not now. not in this era. that's a fuckin pipe dream now. there is so much circumstantial evidence in cases now that isn't usable technically in court but if you were allowed to use common sense would convict so many people. clemens used, so did barry. take away the cy's he won after he was doping but keep the records because those are too hard to fuck with. simply handing the cy to mulder, johnson and pedro is an easy fix.

how do we know mulder, johnson or pedro didnt use roids? besides the fact that pedro is 100 pounds

i say let him keep them. this whole era, and everyone who played in it, is fucked. as are the awards

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