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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:44 pm 
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How is this thread not started? :haha:

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Patriots Sign Ex-49ers LB T.J. Slaughter
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Patriots signed LB T.J. Slaughter, formerly of the 49ers. Slaughter, 30, was out of football last year. He has experience at inside linebacker in a 3-4 defense, but will be lucky to last through the summer.


So this is similiar to the Steelers signing Zabransky?

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they're fuckin' losers!!! they (patriots) deserved to be boo-ed!!!

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A Pats thread started by a Steelers fan?!?! Has hell frozen over? Hey at least you're posting something other than "Where's Grimace or Ozzy" let it go :arrow:

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A Pats thread started by a Steelers fan?!?! Has hell frozen over? Hey at least you're posting something other than "Where's Grimace or Ozzy" let it go :arrow:


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Grimace and Ozzy still need to face the music...they dished out a lot. There are a lot of posters on this board waiting for those two. Anyway, I've given my weeks worth of harrasment...

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10_pearljam wrote:
Malcolm Sex wrote:
A Pats thread started by a Steelers fan?!?! Has hell frozen over? Hey at least you're posting something other than "Where's Grimace or Ozzy" let it go :arrow:


:haha:

Grimace and Ozzy still need to face the music...they dished out a lot.

What the fuck did I do?

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i would just accept the fact that none of them will ever know whats it like to have an undefeated team playing in the playoffs. i give everybody in boston/new england a free pass for any foolishness this season, its a once and a lifetime thing and was enjoyed by all. if they had won and we didn't act the way we did we'd regret it 10 years from now when our team is that season's miami dolphins.

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 Post subject: Re: The Official 2008 New England Patriots Thread
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patscap.com wrote:
Tom Brady--------------$14,626,720
Rosevelt Colvin-----------$7,634,720
Richard Seymour---------$6,836,720
Donte' Stallworth---------$6,573,386 ($1,566,666 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Adalius Thomas-----------$5,406,720
Matt Light----------------$5,008,387 ($1,252,167 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Ty Warren----------------$4,365,052
Mike Vrabel---------------$3,842,720
Wes Welker---------------$3,731,720
Kevin Faulk---------------$3,503,720
Jarvis Green--------------$3,306,720
Kyle Brady----------------$3,006,720 ($1,000,000 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Stephen Neal-------------$3,006,720 ($800,000 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Dan Koppen---------------$3,006,720
Rodney Harrison-----------$3,738,483
Sammy Morris-------------$2,131,720 ($375,000 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Vince Wilfork--------------$1,840,053
Kelley Washington---------$1,766,720
Laurence Maroney---------$1,634,220
Logan Mankins------------$1,406,720
Brandon Meriweather------$1,406,720
Ben Watson---------------$1,193,387
Chad Jackson-------------$1,097,686 ($549,166 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Russ Hochstein-------------$870,054
Heath Evans----------------$861,720
Billy Yates------------------$745,053
Chris Hanson----------------$736,720 (no cap hit if cut after june 1)
Ellis Hobbs, III---------------$691,720
Nick Kaczur-----------------$658,720
James Sanders--------------$621,720
David Thomas---------------$611,907
Stephen Gostkowski---------$557,970
Matt Cassel-----------------$540,220
Ryan O'Callaghan------------$499,345
Le Kevin Smith--------------$469,470
Willie Andrews---------------$463,345 ($11,625 cap hit if cut after June 1) << recently arrested for major pot possession>>
Stephen Spach--------------$451,720
T.J. Slaughter---------------$451,720 ($7,620 cap hit if cut after June 1)
Matt Gutierrez---------------$381,720
Antwain Spann--------------$376,720
Kyle Eckel-------------------$376,720
C.J. Jones-------------------$376,720
Dan Connolly----------------$376,720
Santonio Thomas------------$376,720
Mike Richardson-------------$323,220
Oscar Lua-------------------$317,470
Jimmy Martin----------------$301,720
Tim Mixon-------------------$301,720


the pats are at $107,628,738 against the cap (a projected $8,500,000 under the 2008 cap) for the 48 players listed above. The guys that i've included their "cut-cap-hit" are guys that I think could be cut at some point this offseason (saving $16,914,160 before any restructures).

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 Post subject: Re: The Official 2008 New England Patriots Thread
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I'd rather put just put Bob and Jonathan Kraft at Tackle and save the money they'd otherwise waste on Light and Kaczur. Do the coordinators' salaries count towards the cap? If so, we could save some dough by replacing McDaniels with a coat rack.

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 Post subject: Re: The Official 2008 New England Patriots Thread
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EllisEamos wrote:
patscap.com wrote:
Rosevelt Colvin-----------$7,634,720 ($1,828,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Donte' Stallworth---------$6,573,386 ($1,566,666 '08 cap hit if cut after June 1 2008, $6,266,668 cap hit in '09)
Matt Light----------------$5,008,387 ($1,252,167 cap hit if cut after June 1, same cap hit in '09)
Kevin Faulk---------------$3,503,720 ($497,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, same cap hit in '09)
Kyle Brady----------------$3,006,720 ($1,000,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Stephen Neal-------------$3,006,720 ($800,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, same cap hit in '09)
Rodney Harrison-----------$3,738,483 ($731,763 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Sammy Morris-------------$2,131,720 ($375,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, $750,000 cap hit in '09)
Kelley Washington---------$1,766,720 ($860,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, $2,580,000 cap hit in '09)
Chad Jackson-------------$1,097,686 ($549,166 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Russ Hochstein-------------$870,054 ($133,334 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Heath Evans----------------$861,720 ($125,000 cap hit if cut after June 1, no cap hit in '09)
Chris Hanson----------------$736,720 (no cap hit if cut after june 1)
Willie Andrews---------------$463,345 ($11,625 cap hit if cut after June 1) << recently arrested for major pot possession>>
T.J. Slaughter---------------$451,720 ($7,620 cap hit if cut after June 1)


cutting these guys would save the pats $31,114,480 against the '08 cap ($76,514,258 total for 33 players). but the guys i've highlighted would already count for $9,596,668 against next year's cap; not the mention the other guys listed would bring the '09 cap "penalties" to $12,145,835.

as I understand it, if guys like stallworth, morris, washington, light, colvin, faulk and/or harrison restructure their deals, then the cap figures above are meaningless and the pats can save money and the players could be guaranteed more money in future seasons. if they're cut outright and then signed to new deals, the above numbers are still in play (paid to each player).

this should all be obvious stuff to most of us, but i'm curious to see how much of a benefit it would be to cut some of these players. obviously, guys like stallworth, washington and morris aren't worth the '09 cap hits. and guys like faulk, light, harrison and colvin aren't worth losing to another team. so it looks like the pats have a lot of guys (starting with brady) to renegotiate with to try and make more "space" to retain guys like moss, gaffney, samuel, gay and wilson (and/or players from outside the organization).

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 Post subject: Re: The Official 2008 New England Patriots Thread
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Seems like you gotta cut Stallworth and try to re-sign him to a deal more accurate of his talent.


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Seems like you gotta cut Stallworth and try to re-sign him to a deal more accurate of his talent.

looking at his deal, i don't know where to begin. the pats have until Feb. 25 to decide if they want to give him the $6 M roster bonus that would basically keep his deal as follows:

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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|

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The Patriots have informed WR Kelley Washington that they don't plan to pick up his $4 million option bonus but are interested in him returning with a reworked deal, an NFL source told the Boston Globe's Christopher L. Gasper.

If the sides don't reach a reworked deal, Washington, a top special teams performer, will become an unrestricted free agent Feb. 29.

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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|



I agree. He was great after the catch but I'd prefer they spend the $ on Gaffney.


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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|



I agree. He was great after the catch but I'd prefer they spend the $ on Gaffney.

maybe they could cut him and just re-work a deal like GH pondered earlier.

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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|



I agree. He was great after the catch but I'd prefer they spend the $ on Gaffney.

maybe they could cut him and just re-work a deal like GH pondered earlier.



They could, but we all know who his agent is, and unless he really, really wants to stay I see him leaving.


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the pats have until Feb. 25 to decide if they want to give him the $6 M roster bonus...

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Self Polluted wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|



I agree. He was great after the catch but I'd prefer they spend the $ on Gaffney.

maybe they could cut him and just re-work a deal like GH pondered earlier.



They could, but we all know who his agent is, and unless he really, really wants to stay I see him leaving.


He's gone. Let the Chad Jackson era begin, I think he will have a good year next year. According to the Globe Moss took him under his wing and has been getting on his ass about studying the playbook and route running.


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He's gone. Let the Chad Jackson era begin, I think he will have a good year next year. According to the Globe Moss took him under his wing and has been getting on his ass about studying the playbook and route running.

i'm all for that.

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Dr. Gonzo wrote:
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i'm thinking they cut him and take the hit next year. :|



I agree. He was great after the catch but I'd prefer they spend the $ on Gaffney.

maybe they could cut him and just re-work a deal like GH pondered earlier.



They could, but we all know who his agent is, and unless he really, really wants to stay I see him leaving.


He's gone. Let the Chad Jackson era begin, I think he will have a good year next year. According to the Globe Moss took him under his wing and has been getting on his ass about studying the playbook and route running.


I have high hopes for Jackson, given his size and speed. I still remeber his first catch two years ago, which was sweet, but the fucker better be ready. He's got alot to prove with that injured knee.
I guess they say it takes almost two years to fully recover from ACLs.


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i didn't realize Faulk had such a big role last season. i think its safe to say he's not slowing down.

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Faulk, [whom] most would call a third-down back. Yet [he] played more snaps than any other running back on the roster (44 percent) and suited up for every game of the season (only the second time in his nine years that has happened). He had 63 carries for a 4.3 avg. and caught 47 passes for 383 yards (8.1 avg.).

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Pats are favored to win super bowl in vegas....i'd rather not be.... :?

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