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 Post subject: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:31 am 
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COLLINSWORTH CALLS FOR TILLMAN TO BE IN THE HALL
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2009, 7:05 p.m. EST

During Saturday’s broadcast of the Falcons-Cardinals playoff game, NBC’s Cris Collinsworth made an impromptu pitch for inclusion in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

“He’s gonna come up this year for a Hall of Fame vote,” Collinsworth said. “And if Pat Tillman doesn’t belong in the Hall of Fame, who does? Here’s a guy that turned down millions of dollars, a three-year, $36 million deal, to go fight for our country. I hope that that is the vote that they will take. This guy is the very essence of what we all hope the NFL and its players will ultimately be.”

We’re prepared to agree with Collinsworth. After we rip him a little.

Collinsworth’s comments seemed to imply that there’s some sort of an ongoing debate as to whether Tillman should get in. There isn’t, and there never has been.

Tillman has been eligible for consideration for the Hall of Fame for several years, given that he last played in 2001. So he has been eligible for a couple of years now. But he wasn’t included on the lengthy laundry list of preliminary candidates for the 2007 class at Canton. Or in 2008. Or in 2009.


We also were amazed by Collinsworth’s suggestion that Tillman turned down a three-year, $36 million contract to join the military. (In this regard, Collinsworth merely misspoke — it was a $3.6 million deal.)

As to the merits of Collinsworth’s argument, we completely agree. The Hall of Fame should celebrate players like Tillman for their off-field endeavors.

However, that’s not the test. The award is based only on what a player does on the field.

So, for the same reason that we have to tolerate the presence of scoundrels like O.J. Simpson, we won’t be able to take our sons and daughters to Canton and show them the busts of men like Tillman.

Maybe that’s the better way to get the powers-that-be to change the rules. It would be very nice to keep the turds out; it would be much better to let the truly good and honorable men in, even if their careers ended early because they realized that the world is a far bigger place than 120 by 53 yards of grass.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/03/collinsworth-calls-for-tillman-to-be-in-the-hall/


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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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I usually respect Collinsworth's opinion, more than most analysts, but I disagree with him on this big time.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
I usually respect Collinsworth's opinion, more than most analysts, but I disagree with him on this big time.


Me too. I was surprised when he mentioned it during the game. I thought it was a bit bold to say the least.

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Hall of Fame for great human beings? Yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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I have to say no. It's called the Pro Football Hall of Fame for a reason. If you start discriminating for reasons other than football, it cheapens those football accomplishments it wishes to honor.

Besides, it's not like Pat Tillman hasn't received massive praise in numerous venue. Everyone knows who he was and what he did.

I'm surprised his old friend Jake Plummer hasn't lobbied to get him inducted into the Humanitarian HOF over here.


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Hall of Fame for great human beings? Yes.

Hall of Fame for Professional football players? Hell no.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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Chris Collinsworth should be nominated for the dumbass hall of fame. His opinion tastes as good as the shit sucked straight from my asshole.


*No disrespect to Pat Tillman. Seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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No on Hall of Fame, but a memorial type plaque in Canton wouldn't be out of the question if they felt like honoring him

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what he did wasn't about football, it was about service to his country

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I think allowing him into the hall would be a slippery slope

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Not a hall of famer.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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No on Hall of Fame, but a memorial type plaque in Canton wouldn't be out of the question if they felt like honoring him

This should definitely happen. It should be called the Lummus/Tillman Memorial:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Ar ... p?Page=825

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I think allowing him into the hall would be a slippery slope

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Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
I usually respect Collinsworth's opinion, more than most analysts, but I disagree with him on this big time.

I think that Chris Collinsworth is a blathering fucking idiot.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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Hall of Fame for great human beings? Yes.


perhaps. but, then again, he left $10 million to play football for three years, and his family, to risk his life in afghanistan. some would call that a poor decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Pat Tillman: HOFer?
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Absolutely not.

I didn't catch him saying that, though at other parts of the game I did get to hear them fawning all over him. I have some very strong opinions on this, but they aren't very positive and a sports forum just doesn't seem like the proper place.

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pearljamfan80 wrote:
Hall of Fame for great human beings? Yes.


perhaps. but, then again, he left $10 million to play football for three years, and his family, to risk his life in afghanistan. some would call that a poor decision.

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You guys know about the whole cover-up of the fact that he was killed by friendly fire, right? It's a great story but it was actually very tragic and fucked up in the end. Not exactly feel-good material.

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You guys know about the whole cover-up of the fact that he was killed by friendly fire, right? It's a great story but it was actually very tragic and fucked up in the end. Not exactly feel-good material.



Fuckin' ironic, no?

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