it makes no sense to compare it out of context, because in that case the teams of the 70s would all completely suck ass and the Lions would probably stop the SB champs from that era. Not to mention teams from the 30s and 40s, which would get beat by Division 5 college teams.

So call him the better playoff quarterback if you want. I don't have a problem with that. He's also had better teams, can't we agree. And in fact, when the Pats were winning Super Bowls, Brady was not an otherworldly quarterback. They were a defense first, ball control, mostly conservative team. Brady made huge plays and didn't lose the game, so he was perfect for what they wanted. But when they were winning those SBs it was not all on his shoulders to go out there and win the game for his team like it has been for Manning for at least the last two seasons.

Dude goes 14-0, makes it to the SB with the worst rush offense in the league, plays a great game with one horrendous throw, while guys around him made 3 crucial drops, and somehow over the course of those 3 hours now Tom Brady is better than Manning. Absurd.

1. Manning
2a. Brady
2b. Brees

And Brees is every bit as good as Brady, in a couple of years if he keeps it up he'll be the 2nd best of this generation IMO.

Did you even watch the game? What did his crazy offensive weapons of Wayne and Garcon do? Sure had some pivotal negative plays from the two of those crazy offensive weapons.

If Wayne and Garcon are crazy offensive weapons, wtf are Randy Moss and Wes Welker?

whats funny is you just overrated brees and he's got TONS of crazy offensive weapons.

How did I overrate Brees? He's been a top 3-4 qb in the league for at least the last 4 years. I think he's solidly in the discussion with Brady now, and that if he plays like this for another 3-4 years, he can be better.

no, brady and manning are in a class of their own.

but were they weapons or does Brees just make everyone better? outside of Shockey, none of those guys were well known before. either the Saints GM is a genius or Brees can make anyone look good.

i do think Colston is the real deal though and Meachem is coming along. maybe the GM is a genius.

I'd agree with you on that before this year, but Brees has got to be in the discussion now. He's still 3rd, but I think he's crossed over from being the best of the second tier, to belonging in the first tier now.

its not just the GM, the OC plays to brees' strength perfectly

im not trying to put brees down, i just dont think he's a sure bet for the HOF, brady and manning are.

This is the beauty of arguing sports, you can't really know for sure. I'd say Brees makes those guys look really good like Manning makes his look really good. Pretty much everybody who could be considered among the best of what they do has guys around them who are very good and play a large role in it.

yeah, i agree with a lot of it, which is why i asked. saying the pats were the best team of all time is a huge claim, overlooking the aforementioned bears team for one, but also multiple other great teams (72 dolphins, 23 bulldogs, etc). not sure about the lions beating 70s sb champs though. then again the steelers line was out doing lines of coke thursday night before beating dallas in the super bowl back then (well, if you can trust a former coke runner to be telling the truth) so who knows.

i think as far as talent and dedication is concerned, Brees is as good or better than Manning and Brady. he's just a few years behind. i think as long as he stays healthy he will be a lock for the Hof in a couple years. The defense held him back fromt he national spotlight for a few years, but he was still shredding opposing defenses.

still be tough to catch Manning's numbers though

maybe i overrate Manning a little because he is basically the Offensive coordinator of that team, but how important is that? Brady may just be a quarterback and not the supreme master of the offense, but who says he needs to be? is a team better off that way? Just be a good QB.

Why don't the 89 49ers get more love?

They were coming off of that fantastic championship season the previous year over the Bengals and they completely dismantle the Elway led Broncos.

That was a freaking ridiculous team.

its incredibly important. its bascially unprecedented

that 94 team when they added Ricky Jackson and Deion Sanders was ridiculous too. that was like an allstar team.

you mean in today's game right?

since i'm a 49ers fan i didnt want to mention them. also, i figured i needed to get the canton bulldogs in there somewhere and 3 teams in that parentheses would've been too much.

didnt we go over the "dont compare eras" a few posts ago? comparing the play calling now to 30-40 years ago is pointless

Regardless, how Manning plays QB and runs that team is pretty much without parallel ever. It's why he's the best quarterback I've ever seen.