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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:54 am 
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wow, this thing is incredibly well documented.


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So, Butch Davis and company, maybe they just replicated what they did at Miami?

This said, if the program sucks as bad as they do does it really matter if some douchebag is paying players?

I still say, I really don't care what boosters do and I don't care if players trade on thier own names. I don't think this is reasonable and I don't think it's reasonable for the NCAA to be a non profit.

Truely this goes to show that you cannot legislate fairness and trying to legislate said fairness creates these issues.

Paying players by the schools is still a bad idea. A scholarship is enough payment on that stead, essentially, if we want to criminalize boosters who do this, lets have some real laws against it and start jailing or otherwise punishing these douchebags who form thier self worth by giving money to college athletes...and lets let the best athletes who can make money trade on thier own skills and talents while they are in college.

If schools really gave a shit, they would be banning characters like this but they all cater to them with no exceptions. If they really cared about academics everyone would just go D3.

Amateurism is dead. Pay taxes NCAA.

501c 3 My ass.

USC fans should take a hell of a lot of joy in watching Paul Dee squirm though.

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 Post subject: Re: 2011 College Football Off-Season Thread
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Skitch Patterson wrote:
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Yahoo is killing ESPN on this stuff.

Even now its not the lead story on ESPN.com, despite the fact it is probably the most throughly documented initial piece on a college football scandal ever- and it involves one of the most relevant programs to the majority of its core audience (men 25-45) who all remember when Miami was THE team in college football.. Hell, its not even the lead story on their College Football page.



It was a yahoo sports investigation and they did the interviews with this guy. It would make sense ESPN would not want to plaster it all over their front page. Jim Rome had a lot of entertaining things to say about it though....


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verb_to_trust wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Yahoo is killing ESPN on this stuff.

Even now its not the lead story on ESPN.com, despite the fact it is probably the most throughly documented initial piece on a college football scandal ever- and it involves one of the most relevant programs to the majority of its core audience (men 25-45) who all remember when Miami was THE team in college football.. Hell, its not even the lead story on their College Football page.



It was a yahoo sports investigation and they did the interviews with this guy. It would make sense ESPN would not want to plaster it all over their front page. Jim Rome had a lot of entertaining things to say about it though....



It is the biggest sports story of the year probably. Doesn't matter who broke it, the have a responsibility to cover it properly


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Yahoo is killing ESPN on this stuff.

Even now its not the lead story on ESPN.com, despite the fact it is probably the most throughly documented initial piece on a college football scandal ever- and it involves one of the most relevant programs to the majority of its core audience (men 25-45) who all remember when Miami was THE team in college football.. Hell, its not even the lead story on their College Football page.



It was a yahoo sports investigation and they did the interviews with this guy. It would make sense ESPN would not want to plaster it all over their front page. Jim Rome had a lot of entertaining things to say about it though....



It is the biggest sports story of the year probably. Doesn't matter who broke it, the have a responsibility to cover it properly


It seems like just now they're starting to cover it a little more.

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Monkey_Driven wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Yahoo is killing ESPN on this stuff.

Even now its not the lead story on ESPN.com, despite the fact it is probably the most throughly documented initial piece on a college football scandal ever- and it involves one of the most relevant programs to the majority of its core audience (men 25-45) who all remember when Miami was THE team in college football.. Hell, its not even the lead story on their College Football page.



It was a yahoo sports investigation and they did the interviews with this guy. It would make sense ESPN would not want to plaster it all over their front page. Jim Rome had a lot of entertaining things to say about it though....



It is the biggest sports story of the year probably. Doesn't matter who broke it, the have a responsibility to cover it properly


It seems like just now they're starting to cover it a little more.


probably still reeling from the Big 12 breakup that wasn't.

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ESPN is a fucking joke. When the Big 12 implodes, i hope they get taken down a few notches with it.

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Electromatic wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Yahoo is killing ESPN on this stuff.

Even now its not the lead story on ESPN.com, despite the fact it is probably the most throughly documented initial piece on a college football scandal ever- and it involves one of the most relevant programs to the majority of its core audience (men 25-45) who all remember when Miami was THE team in college football.. Hell, its not even the lead story on their College Football page.



It was a yahoo sports investigation and they did the interviews with this guy. It would make sense ESPN would not want to plaster it all over their front page. Jim Rome had a lot of entertaining things to say about it though....



It is the biggest sports story of the year probably. Doesn't matter who broke it, the have a responsibility to cover it properly


It seems like just now they're starting to cover it a little more.


probably still reeling from the Big 12 breakup that wasn't.


No shit. I got about 12 texts on Saturday morning about Mizzou going to the SEC just because of that one line in the bottom ticker.

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i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.

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i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.



It's probably just easier to look at a complete piece of shit like Shapiro and put the blame on him.

Players are generally celebrities that get passes in all fields of entertainment.

Of course they get blame. With 72 documented players taking illegal benefits it says a lot more about the worthlessness of the schools compliance department and lack of institutional control. It's interesting to me that Miami can be as terrible as they've been and yet have so many entitled douchebags on thier team. These guys haven't won shit in a decade, why are they getting money?

I simply have more of a problem with the older adults in this case. If they didn't behave as poorly as they have the players never would have these opportunities.

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rushel shell to pitt from what i hear

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Electromatic wrote:
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i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.



It's probably just easier to look at a complete piece of shit like Shapiro and put the blame on him.

Players are generally celebrities that get passes in all fields of entertainment.

Of course they get blame. With 72 documented players taking illegal benefits it says a lot more about the worthlessness of the schools compliance department and lack of institutional control. It's interesting to me that Miami can be as terrible as they've been and yet have so many entitled douchebags on thier team. These guys haven't won shit in a decade, why are they getting money?

I simply have more of a problem with the older adults in this case. If they didn't behave as poorly as they have the players never would have these opportunities.


Yep. I actually feel kinda bad for shapiro on some level. He was a douchebag no doubt.. But he was just trying to buy his way into friends and the "cool kids".. and they were just using him. Its actually pretty sad.


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Skitch Patterson wrote:
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Peeps wrote:
i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.



It's probably just easier to look at a complete piece of shit like Shapiro and put the blame on him.

Players are generally celebrities that get passes in all fields of entertainment.

Of course they get blame. With 72 documented players taking illegal benefits it says a lot more about the worthlessness of the schools compliance department and lack of institutional control. It's interesting to me that Miami can be as terrible as they've been and yet have so many entitled douchebags on thier team. These guys haven't won shit in a decade, why are they getting money?

I simply have more of a problem with the older adults in this case. If they didn't behave as poorly as they have the players never would have these opportunities.


Yep. I actually feel kinda bad for shapiro on some level. He was a douchebag no doubt.. But he was just trying to buy his way into friends and the "cool kids".. and they were just using him. Its actually pretty sad.


True, it's kind of the feeling I've always had leaving a strip club.

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Skitch Patterson wrote:
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Peeps wrote:
i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.



It's probably just easier to look at a complete piece of shit like Shapiro and put the blame on him.

Players are generally celebrities that get passes in all fields of entertainment.

Of course they get blame. With 72 documented players taking illegal benefits it says a lot more about the worthlessness of the schools compliance department and lack of institutional control. It's interesting to me that Miami can be as terrible as they've been and yet have so many entitled douchebags on thier team. These guys haven't won shit in a decade, why are they getting money?

I simply have more of a problem with the older adults in this case. If they didn't behave as poorly as they have the players never would have these opportunities.


Yep. I actually feel kinda bad for shapiro on some level. He was a douchebag no doubt.. But he was just trying to buy his way into friends and the "cool kids".. and they were just using him. Its actually pretty sad.

Dude is the king of scumbags...

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i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.

i dont have too much of a problem with the players. if i was a broke 18 year old who was making millions for someone else and getting barely anything for it, i'd take what i could get, too.

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i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.

i dont have too much of a problem with the players. if i was a broke 18 year old who was making millions for someone else and getting barely anything for it, i'd take what i could get, too.



and i agree, its not like i wouldnt, but it still doesnt absolve them from wrong doing

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Peeps wrote:
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Peeps wrote:
i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.

i dont have too much of a problem with the players. if i was a broke 18 year old who was making millions for someone else and getting barely anything for it, i'd take what i could get, too.



and i agree, its not like i wouldnt, but it still doesnt absolve them from wrong doing

It doesn't. They broke the rules, but Shapiro rightly deserves the lion's share of the blame here imo.

It's funny, what people down here are most pissed about is that with all this cheating they have nothing but failure to show for it.

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Peeps wrote:
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Peeps wrote:
i like how everyone is placing blame soley on shapiro as if these kids didnt know what they were doing was right or wrong.

i dont have too much of a problem with the players. if i was a broke 18 year old who was making millions for someone else and getting barely anything for it, i'd take what i could get, too.



and i agree, its not like i wouldnt, but it still doesnt absolve them from wrong doing

It doesn't. They broke the rules, but Shapiro rightly deserves the lion's share of the blame here imo.

It's funny, what people down here are most pissed about is that with all this cheating they have nothing but failure to show for it.



That's what was funniest to me. He got there in 2002. He's the Dan Snyder of boosters.

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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6909937/how-does-oregon-football-keep-winning

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I liked this article. Interesting stuff.

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