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Despite Tim Tebow's stellar record and his high profile, the Broncos are not willing to commit to him as the quarterback of the future. "We have a feeling something bad is going to happen to him at age 33," a team representative said.



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Despite Tim Tebow's stellar record and his high profile, the Broncos are not willing to commit to him as the quarterback of the future. "We have a feeling something bad is going to happen to him at age 33," a team representative said.



I like this.

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that is not the proper usage of the verb "Superman"

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Too bad he's a gimp and Newton just broke his record.

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Too bad he's a gimp and Newton just broke his record.

wow, a rare disconnect between us...

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Too bad he's a gimp and Newton just broke his record.

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 Post subject: Re: TEBOW
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Haha, I wasn't replying to your post Mecca. I did laugh though.

Seriously though, I'm very disappointed Tebow got so much coverage in a year in which we should have been soaking up the greatness that is Cam Newton. I was just as skeptical as everyone else, but what he did this year was amazing. He may regress and never turn out to be that great, but I think he will. And even if he doesn't he just had the best rookie year of pretty much any QB, ever.

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disappointed Tebow got so much coverage in a year in which we should have been soaking up the greatness that is Cam Newton.

That's a great point. Just ask Steve Smith. Newton is far and away a better runner and thrower than Tebow.


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I do not think Tim Tebow will ever be an above average NFL QB. But I am okay with all the coverage he got in the midst of the Winning streak over Newton. Newton did some amazing things this year, and likely will have a very good career.. but Tebow ultimately was winning football games where Newton was not.

The other day on the radio, they were arguing Stafford Vs. Newton, who would you rather have. The radio host said Newton can beat you with his Feet, and he can beat you throwing the ball. The problem? He didnt BEAT anybody.


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Football Outsiders wrote:
Newton now has 3,893 passing yards this season, breaking Peyton Manning's rookie record of 3,739 set in 1998. Newton also has 14 rushing touchdowns, the most for any quarterback in a single season, rookie or otherwise. Have we ever seen anyone - or anything - like this?

Frankly, no. At Football Outsiders, we use similarity scores to find historical matches for contemporary players.
Newton essentially breaks our similarity score system. He's on pace for 719 rushing yards. The only quarterbacks who have rushed for more than 700 yards since the merger are Michael Vick, Bobby Douglass, and Randall Cunningham. (Vick has done it three times, and can make it a fourth with 114 yards against Washington next week. Tim Tebow needs 56 yards against Kansas City to join the club.) The system doesn't know to do with all that ground yardage, and tries to match Newton up with occasional scramblers like Mark Brunell and Don Majkowski.

Newton's rushing ability is no fluke, and at 6-foot-5 and 248 pounds, there's no reason to expect his numbers on the ground to dissipate anytime soon. To get a better picture of his performance, let's separate his passing stats from his rushing stats. Since we can't find anyone who could run and throw like Newton, let's start with players who threw like him, then look for those who ran like him.

Projecting Newton's stats over 16 games gives us 315 completions, 525 attempts, 4,153 yards, 21 touchdowns, and 17 interceptions, all at the tender age of 22. Here are the 10 quarterback seasons most similar to that since 1978:
Top 10 QBs similar to Cam Newton, passing only
Name Year Team G Cmp Att Yds TD INT AGE
Peyton Manning 1999 IND 16 331 533 4135 26 15 23
Bernie Kosar* 1987 CLE1 16 321 519 4044 29 12 24
Daunte Culpepper 2000 MIN 16 297 474 3937 33 16 23
Jim Everett 1988 LARM 16 308 517 3964 31 18 25
Ken O'Brien 1985 NYJ 16 297 488 3888 25 8 25
Aaron Rodgers 2008 GB 16 341 536 4038 28 13 25
Dan Marino 1985 MIA 16 336 567 4137 30 21 24
Bernie Kosar 1986 CLE1 16 310 531 3854 17 10 23
Carson Palmer 2006 CIN 16 324 520 4035 28 13 27
Peyton Manning 2001 IND 16 343 547 4131 26 23 25
* Strike year. Stats projected to 16-game schedule

Man, that's a good group of passers. Marino's in the Hall of Fame, Manning is on his way, and Rodgers looks destined to join them. Newton's numbers right now look like what those guys were going in their second, third, and fourth seasons. Daunte Culpepper (remember, this is looking at passing stats only) and Carson Palmer were two of the league's hottest young stars before injuries derailed their careers. And then we have a bunch of guys from the 1980s. That could be a reflection of Newton's strong arm and longball style, which is rare in today's NFL. He's presently averaging 13.2 yards per completion. That would be one of the top 20 rates this century, but it would barely make the top 100 rates of the 1980s.

And Newton, the rusher? He's projected to hit 128 carries for 719 yards and 15 touchdowns. Here are the running backs most similar to that since 1978 (not counting receiving stats):
Top 10 RBs similar to Cam Newton, rushing only
Name Year Team G Rush RuYd RuTD AGE
Marion Barber 2006 DAL 16 135 654 14 23
Herschel Walker 1986 DAL 16 151 737 12 24
Maurice J-D 2006 JAC 16 166 941 13 21
Brian Westbrook 2003 PHI 15 117 613 7 24
Ickey Woods 1988 CIN 16 203 1066 15 22
Pierre Thomas 2008 NO 15 129 625 9 24
Chris Ivory 2010 NO 12 137 716 5 22
Brad Muster 1990 CHI 16 141 664 6 25
Blair Thomas 1990 NYJ 15 123 620 1 23
Selvin Young 2007 DEN 15 140 729 1 24

Even restricting our list to running backs, it's hard to find players who have posted seasons like Newton. The touchdown totals start to drop pretty quickly. It's worth noting that Newton's four closest matches started their careers as parts of committees, but would go on to become not just feature tailbacks, but Pro Bowlers. That's the kind of ground game Newton brings to the table.

In short, it's fair to say that Cam Newton has played like a young Peyton Manning and a rookie Herschel Walker all rolled into one. Any questions about who the rookie of the year should be?

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Any questions about who the rookie of the year should be?
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Skitch Patterson wrote:
I do not think Tim Tebow will ever be an above average NFL QB. But I am okay with all the coverage he got in the midst of the Winning streak over Newton. Newton did some amazing things this year, and likely will have a very good career.. but Tebow ultimately was winning football games where Newton was not.

The radio host said Newton can beat you with his Feet, and he can beat you throwing the ball. The problem? He didnt BEAT anybody.


Carolina has a top-five offense, and 30th ranked defense. If anything the Panthers have won at all because of Cam Newton. If this team has Jimmy Clausen (or if this team has Tim Tebow) they probably win one or two games.

And lol @ Titus Young.

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Orpheus wrote:
Skitch Patterson wrote:
I do not think Tim Tebow will ever be an above average NFL QB. But I am okay with all the coverage he got in the midst of the Winning streak over Newton. Newton did some amazing things this year, and likely will have a very good career.. but Tebow ultimately was winning football games where Newton was not.

The radio host said Newton can beat you with his Feet, and he can beat you throwing the ball. The problem? He didnt BEAT anybody.


Carolina has a top-five offense, and 30th ranked defense. If anything the Panthers have won at all because of Cam Newton. If this team has Jimmy Clausen (or if this team has Tim Tebow) they probably win one or two games.

And lol @ Titus Young.


Oh, I agree. And Newton has been great, no question about it. I just don't want to put TOO much stock in to the passing stats just yet, as he is always in a position to be throwing, and running against 4 man fronts as he's usually playing from behind.


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