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sang and wrote songs that were actually great?
how would you react to an exuberant use of one's vocal abilities?
this question rang in my mind while i was listening to Metallica's "Shortest Straw"'s main solo while Mika's song was on TV.
my cheap analysis of Shortest's Straw solo is:
- it's out of tune in some Slayeresque kind of way
- it's some virtuoso's work
- it's pretty expressive, no matter what
- it sounds good
- it's show-off
- (it's a guitar)
now what would you think about someone who has the equivalent vocal abilities doing some kind of equivalent vocal acrobatics?
....
i don't know what to answer myself. Yoko Ono is kind of great to me, even in the screaming mode. i like Queen, i like Yma Sumac, i like Death, i like Plastic Ono Band, i like Scentless Apentice, i like Janis Joplin and i like Mozart.
i mean, one of the things in "vocal art" i love the most is Joni Mitchell's last part on Woodstock - this is quite ackward-souding to a burger-dog listening to boring music in a covenient way but this little part where she goes up and down octaves is something that makes my heart want to stop.
would you stand as much dissonance in a voice than in a guitar?
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mastaflatch wrote:
sang and wrote songs that were actually great? how would you react to an exuberant use of one's vocal abilities? this question rang in my mind while i was listening to Metallica's "Shortest Straw"'s main solo while Mika's song was on TV. my cheap analysis of Shortest's Straw solo is: - it's out of tune in some Slayeresque kind of way - it's some virtuoso's work - it's pretty expressive, no matter what - it sounds good - it's show-off - (it's a guitar) now what would you think about someone who has the equivalent vocal abilities doing some kind of equivalent vocal acrobatics?
....
i don't know what to answer myself. Yoko Ono is kind of great to me, even in the screaming mode. i like Queen, i like Yma Sumac, i like Death, i like Plastic Ono Band, i like Scentless Apentice, i like Janis Joplin and i like Mozart. i mean, one of the things in "vocal art" i love the most is Joni Mitchell's last part on Woodstock - this is quite ackward-souding to a burger-dog listening to boring music in a covenient way but this little part where she goes up and down octaves is something that makes my heart want to stop. would you stand as much dissonance in a voice than in a guitar?
I think that I know what you are talking about. Coloratura sopranos are trained to do this and regularly do in modern opera where dissonance is routinely used to heighten tension. This is not as pleasing as in Mozart where virtuoso technique is placed in service of a lyrical sound, but the results can be interesting. Check out Erwartung by Arnold Schoenberg.
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SLH916 wrote:
mastaflatch wrote:
sang and wrote songs that were actually great? how would you react to an exuberant use of one's vocal abilities? this question rang in my mind while i was listening to Metallica's "Shortest Straw"'s main solo while Mika's song was on TV. my cheap analysis of Shortest's Straw solo is: - it's out of tune in some Slayeresque kind of way - it's some virtuoso's work - it's pretty expressive, no matter what - it sounds good - it's show-off - (it's a guitar) now what would you think about someone who has the equivalent vocal abilities doing some kind of equivalent vocal acrobatics?
....
i don't know what to answer myself. Yoko Ono is kind of great to me, even in the screaming mode. i like Queen, i like Yma Sumac, i like Death, i like Plastic Ono Band, i like Scentless Apentice, i like Janis Joplin and i like Mozart. i mean, one of the things in "vocal art" i love the most is Joni Mitchell's last part on Woodstock - this is quite ackward-souding to a burger-dog listening to boring music in a covenient way but this little part where she goes up and down octaves is something that makes my heart want to stop. would you stand as much dissonance in a voice than in a guitar?
I think that I know what you are talking about. Coloratura sopranos are trained to do this and regularly do in modern opera where dissonance is routinely used to heighten tension. This is not as pleasing as in Mozart where virtuoso technique is placed in service of a lyrical sound, but the results can be interesting. Check out Erwartung by Arnold Schoenberg.
thanks for taking this thread seriously although i presume the initial post was a drunk one anyway thanks for the head-up, i'll check this out.
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