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Would somebody mind naming some? Like kind of hip, laid-back, mellow jazz. Miles Davis or otherwise.
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:59 am
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like more melodic, modal improvisation to be more accurate
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:05 am
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I forgot I had a Miles Davis & John Coltrane album
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:25 am
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Yeah, I have that too. It's pretty good.
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:43 am
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what's kind of blue.
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:42 am
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Saxophone Collosus by Rollins is pretty slick
Maybe try some Bill Evans stuff?
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you're never gonna find anything else that has quite that same vibe as kind of blue, that's why it is so revered. but here's some other albums you might want to check out that haven't been suggested yet:
Oliver Nelson- Blues and the Abstract Truth Hank Mobley- Soul Station Greg Osby- Invisible Hand Kenny Burrell- Midnight Blue Yusef Lateef- Eastern Sounds Grant Green- Idle Moments
and speak no evil is so good that i have to urge you not to gloss over that suggestion, an incredible album
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:36 am
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SLH916 wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
what's kind of blue.
i'm going to grab this right now.
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:43 am
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this is chill.
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Post subject: Re: jazz albums similar to Kind of Blue
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:19 am
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BlueNote wrote:
and speak no evil is so good that i have to urge you not to gloss over that suggestion, an incredible album
There's always a 'type' of jazz on the radio that I'll stumble across by accident and I can never really put my finger on what I'd call it. A few weeks ago I heard the title track and I knew immediately that this was what I wanted. How would you describe this style of jazz?
and speak no evil is so good that i have to urge you not to gloss over that suggestion, an incredible album
There's always a 'type' of jazz on the radio that I'll stumble across by accident and I can never really put my finger on what I'd call it. A few weeks ago I heard the title track and I knew immediately that this was what I wanted. How would you describe this style of jazz?
that's kind of difficult as i not being a musician or anything i'm not good at describing specific types of styles or even knowing the nomenclature to do so. the best i can do is conjecture on the fact that around the time shorter conceived this album he had decided to join miles davis in what would become miles' second great quintet (and my personal favorite working jazz group of all time). his previous session under his leadership, juju, was a very coltrane-like record (aided by sharing tyner, workman and jones) and kind of derivative of that style and yet a few months later on the speak no evil sessions he's suddenly got this great new vibe on his hands. now i'm just speculating here and could be completely wrong, but it's interesting that while he still has jones on the drumkit for speak no evil he switches tyner for herbie hancock and workman for ron carter (fellow miles 2nd great quartet members). now you can tell by my screen name that i have a love for blue note recordings from that period and add that to the fact that everyone else in that miles group (shorter, hancock, carter, williams) were heavily involved in the blue note scene at this point where they were actually pushing their sound from the standard hardbop to a more avante-garde but still structured (so as not to be completely 'free jazz' so to speak, regardless of the fact that you see sessions like out to lunch and point of departure labeled as free jazz albums they are in fact the result of extremely thought-out compositions that incorporate the newer 'out' improvising style of coleman and co). we know from their associations in the blue note sessions and the music they would go on to make with miles that all four of these young musicians were interested in this newer style, but given that their association with miles was at this time just beginning it seems logical that they would be searching for a middle ground between the two styles. in my opinion speak no evil was the peak of this middle ground, taking the beautiful and timeless modal melodies that miles was working on in the late 50s/early 60s and making that the focal point but retaining some of the more adventurous improvising techniques and applying them to those types of melodies. this wouldn't last long as soon (in miles' group and the blue note recordings) the sound would shift from the modal melodies having the influence to the 'out' playing being more prominent [reaching its own apex in hancock's maiden voyage which is as equally brilliant as kind of blue and speak no evil and must be heard if you are even remotely interested in what i am blabbering on about here]).
so my point is that i twofold, that this sound that speak no evil has is a melding of miles' modal kind of blue stuff with the beginnings of the more avante garde jazz stylings and that the perfect fusion that is achieved on that album is in itself rare as being that perfect example of the brief time where the miles influence outweighed the free influence. so just as i've never heard another album that quite has the same feel as kind of blue i've not heard anything else that has the same feel as speak no evil, however all the musicians that are associated with these stylings do have similar work that you could check out and probably enjoy as well. i'd say look into that miles quintet if you haven't already, their more balladic compositions like circles, nefertiti, and fall are very similar to the speak no evil stuff (as wayne shorter was the principle composer of that miles group) and also check out the other wayne shorter, herbie hancock, joe henderson, freddie hubbard, coltrane's blue train album, cannonball adderley's somethin' else album, tony williams & sam rivers & eric dolphy (for the more avante garde side) sessions of the mid-60s to get more of that type of sound. i don't know if anyone is even still reading at this point, but this is all the music that has mostly consumed me for the past several years and i'd recommend it to anyone who has an interest in this type of jazz music. i've also never cared for the work of brubeck or evans (even on kind of blue the best piano was by kelly on freddie freeloader) so i'm biased to a point on style and you might want to take me with a grain of salt, but if anything you can tell i'm passionate on this music and have spent considerable time thinking about it so maybe this post is helpful to you.
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