I could have put this in a PM but I figured opening the floor to discussion herein couldn't hurt.



Sunny,

I got the discs yesterday! THANK YOU for the DVD! It's awesome!

Stupid Question Time:

The 10/31/91 Show - How is it that "Rape Me" is played during this show but was not released until 1993?

The 10/31/91 Show again - I might have mixed up my notes, but if this show is soundboard, and was professionally video taped by Geffen, why on EARTH didn't they just release it on DVD rather than releasing either Wiskah (sp) or the black labelled remastered stuff? Ditto with the Netherlands DVD you sent to me; why wasn't that released ages ago, officially released?



My husband is livid and says that, regardless of what the proverbial "they" is planning on releasing this year, that the fans will aways be ahead of the curve, and that the proverbial "they" will do nothing but continue to regergitate the same stuff over and over, lacking in quality, and cheating fans, just as The Beatles catalog is stored in the Apple Vaults and rather than let loose all the stuff in it, or some subset of it, McCartney will forever release strategically timed crap that people either have had for 20 or more years, or will release stuff that is not "rare" at all. It pisses him off because he fails to see what "they" are afraid of - his view is "put it out their, all of it, clean it up and ship it, we want it, so just do it, what is the fear?"


The discs you sent me are amazing quality, and the URL you gave me with the huge list of what is available for b&p among fans really is an indication of exactly how little "they" (the industry) understands what fans want and are willing to purchase if necessary. I think Pearl Jam by releasing all the 2000 and 2003 shows in affordable double CD packages really proves that there is a demand and the bootleggers can be completely eliminated if one just gives their fans some credit relative to our integrity and our spending power.


So,...... I want more live Nirvana now.


And, I've decided that the "non sound" part of "Negative Creep" is one of my most favorite things ever - the slight break where the drums slam back in blows my mind over and over - I absolutely LOVE IT live - it drives me insane (I tend to start my own personal PIT right where I stand when it plays).


The part of Love Buzz on the DVD where Kurt looks into the camera starteled me, and then I yelled at him (and scared my cat).

Powerful stuff. I guess I just wasn't "ready" for it in or around 1992 because lyrically Pearl Jam was hitting home with me more than anything else, so I stuck with it.

Nirvana's SOUND is hitting home with me more now than anything else, and I find myself craving the sound like a drug. I think its a "purge" thing.

I've also decided that Novoselic annoys the crap out of me - but Grohl well makes up for it: does he lock into a groove or what!?! Sometimes it almost sounds slightly sloppy but it's locked tightly timing-wise nevertheless.

My Nirvana Live Thoughts and Questions for Today, all Nirvana Live specific discussion welcomed hereing, all derailment efforts will be ignored (by me at least, because derailers suck balls and have no lives).


Can you feel my Love Buzz,....

c-

Where should it have been released? On Incesticide?

Polly was also played some two years before Nevermind, but it wasn't released any sooner. A lot of songs is played in their earlier incarnations a long time before their official release.

I wasn't saying it "should" have been released earlier, I was asking (Sunny) how it happened to have been played so early specifically at that show. It sounded "finished" to me.

Thank you for the information on Polly.

I'm aware that some songs are played in early incarnations ("Hypersonic" by Jane's Addiction, for examply, was being played live over 10 years prior to it showing up as a finished product).

c-

Rape Me was first played on June 18, 1991: Santa Cruz, CA. So it could actually have been on Nevermind.




http://www.livenirvana.com/firstlast/index.html

Now you know where to be for the rest of the day

Thanks. I was looking for "discussion" as well - people's favorites and recommendations, etc. People here, who are RM'ers and PJ fans like myself.

c-

Is that a DVD of the Halloween show your talking about?

I thought what I saw in the note about the 10-31-91 show is that it had also been professionally video taped (by Geffen), yeah.

yeah it is beautifully pro shot. but what i meant to ask is, do you have that pro shot version on dvd. I guess the answer is no

Oh, sorry. No, I don't have it. I was asking why Geffen hasn't packaged it up and released it to the public. Sorry.

If you want to get really obvious, why haven't they released the Unplugged on dvd yet? I'm sure that would take about 15 seconds to package and ship out. At least we have the cd but I'd like to watch it sometimes too.

I'm very happy you like everything.

10/31/91 Rape Me - This song was first performed on 6/18/91 in Santa Cruz as an improv. It became somewhat common during the US Nevermind tour.

This show would be the perfect DVD release IMO. It's easily Nirvana's finest moment in concert, topped with a legendary destruction. They originally planned to release it, but wanted to wait until technology improved (a la George Lucas and Star Wars). Of course, there's Courtney...

Once Nirvana became successful, the band agreed that 99% of the right belonged to Kurt and %1 to Dave and Krist. When Kurt was killed, his widow had the priority of music rights.
I know it's sad, but the boxed set made me happy again. It fullfilled nearly everything the LiveNirvana.com community has been searching for years.

Nirvana recordings aren't nearly as high quality as PJ. For the 11/25/91 DVD you recieved, there's a great sounding FM>DAT(4) audio source.
Join http://www.LiveNirvana.com and see if others can help you out with some more. I reccommend you get 11/19/91, 10/30/92, 11/18/93 (unplugged uncut) and 10/11/89 DVDs next.

-Sunny

I also wanted to make an important announcement:

Within the past week, two extremely important Nirvana recordings have finally surfaced after years of hard work:

8/30/92 - the complete pro-shot Reading Festival video. The soundboard audio is amazing, picture quality is great even though it has a timestamp. The actual video is estimated to be a pre-broadcast Vid(1). This is serious stuff guys, the world waited to see if Nirvana lost it due to the baby, Kurt and drugs, and lack of material. If it weren't for this headlining show, I personally don't think Nirvana's legacy would've went much further.

3/1/94 - Nirvana's FINAL concert in Munich. For years, the only recording we had was TV>Vid(2), which featured only the first 3 songs. After years of speculation on the setlist and performance, the LNCU team discovered the Ana(M) of an audience recording. This historical show revealed how the band acted during their final moments onstage together.

None of these recordings have been circulated yet, but keep yourself updated on livenirvana.com.

-Sunny

what i would do to see them live :sigh:

:drools:

Is this audio or video? And if it is video, is the quality better than the last one? I have the first three songs, but I didn't think too much of it. I consider myself a huge Nirvana-fan btw.

Audio.

The tape is currently being sent overseas to be transferred to digital, remastered and torrented. I can't wait.

-Sunny

Sunny,

You're awesome!

Thanks!

I just feel like I'm not "worthy" of going to the Nirvana site(s) and having discussions with the die-hards, I feel like I'll get chewed up and spit out in a heartbeat for being so "late" to the table.

Is that just stupid of me? To feel that way?

Christine

You would think it should just be that easy, wouldn't it? I think MTV prefers to not release it and instead, periodically air the show (not complete), so they can sell the commercial air time to the highest bidders. I would speculate that they prefer those spikes in advertising revenue to the retail revenue of a DVD release. I'm not sure how that would even be logically sound, however, because they ought to know that we would not only all BUY it, but we would sit and watch it when it's broadcast too. They really should do a entire library of them, STP, Alice In Chains, PJ, etc. I don't know why they are waiting - they could easily release each on CD as well. I think they like to stroke themselves periodically instead by showing "clips" of the broadcasts and interviewing people involved who all sit around and pat themselves on the back for their having done something special, when it's the artists who are/were the special ones.

Yes. We've all been newbie's at something. But you probably want to read through some threads first, before you ask something that's been asked a million times before.

You are worthy.

I really can't understand why it hasn't come out, unless they're just planning to "strategically" release it at a time when they think the sales will be huge. It's kind of dumb though because for a Nirvana release, that's probably going to be anytime they put it out there.

Also, the Alice in Chains Unplugged is available on dvd, I have it. Again, it doesn't look like they did much with it except a little 5.1 mix and a standard menu that anyone could have done. That said, I love it. It's the complete show and I like having the visuals to go with it. I really hope to see them do this with a lot of the other ones but the Nirvana one would be at the top of my list for sure.