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discuss.
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zooropa's much more cohesive.
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executed anyhow wrote:
No, but The Wanderer is awesome.
indeed. it brings the whole record back to the grass roots after the edge sent it out into the stratosphere. great closer
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ericd102 wrote:
riiiiight, and graceland is a bad album
You'rer crazy recently, laura.
graceland is impossible to take seriously.
achtung has some better songs, no question, but so far as the album goes as an art form, zooropa is the best thing U2 ever did. it's like this record is in 3D and the rest are 2.
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this coming from the person who has achtung in her top ten albums of all time. granted, i haven't heard zooropa but i'm pretty sure it won't be able to top achtung.
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zooropa by any other band would be great, provided of course the band's career was centered around zooropa-type sounds. perhaps make a whole album full of songs that sound like 'numb' and call yourself radiohead or something. seriously, zooropa is a great album. but laura, zooropa>achtung? i've said things for shock effect/the sake of being different before, but there was always some truth behind it. this thread is wrong and stupid.
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Jim wrote:
this coming from the person who has achtung in her top ten albums of all time. granted, i haven't heard zooropa but i'm pretty sure it won't be able to top achtung.
i'm pretty much planning to swap the two.
washing machine wrote:
zooropa by any other band would be great, provided of course the band's career was centered around zooropa-type sounds.
it's almost even more impressive that they just pulled this one out with really only one record which even hinted to this direction (which was recorded in berlin btw ). why shouldn't they change their style? wilco did
washing machine wrote:
perhaps make a whole album full of songs that sound like 'numb' and call yourself radiohead or something.
the whole album does have a certain sound to it, so that 's kinda what they did
washing machine wrote:
seriously, zooropa is a great album. but laura, zooropa>achtung? i've said things for shock effect/the sake of being different before, but there was always some truth behind it. this thread is wrong and stupid.
it's a better album, in the sound which is created by all these songs. if you want individual epic tracks, of course achtung is better.
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vacate wrote:
washing machine wrote:
zooropa by any other band would be great, provided of course the band's career was centered around zooropa-type sounds.
it's almost even more impressive that they just pulled this one out with really only one record which even hinted to this direction (which was recorded in berlin btw ). why shouldn't they change their style? wilco did
washing machine wrote:
perhaps make a whole album full of songs that sound like 'numb' and call yourself radiohead or something.
the whole album does have a certain sound to it, so that 's kinda what they did
washing machine wrote:
seriously, zooropa is a great album. but laura, zooropa>achtung? i've said things for shock effect/the sake of being different before, but there was always some truth behind it. this thread is wrong and stupid.
it's a better album, in the sound which is created by all these songs. if you want individual epic tracks, of course achtung is better.
i don't think you understood my point at all. i wasn't in the least bit bashing zooropa. all i'm saying is that zooropa would have sounded much better had u2 not done it. it's a fluke album that seemed to have as little to do with the passion and love of making music as possible. it doesn't suit the band. it's a good album, yes. and i like it. i just don't believe it, if you know what i mean. it's not their style, whereas when say radiohead, wilco or hell even sonic youth switch styles...it's a wholehearted and honest experimental effort.
of course, i'm not u2 so what do i know about it.
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i don't agree but i'm tempted to for the purposes of this thread because zooropa is such an amazing album that doesn't get the nearly the credit it deserves.
the first time-->dirty day-->the wanderer
nowhere else in any u2 album is the emotion equaled as in these three songs. hell of a way to end an album, especially one with such a crazy first half.
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washing machine wrote:
i don't think you understood my point at all. i wasn't in the least bit bashing zooropa. all i'm saying is that zooropa would have sounded much better had u2 not done it. it's a fluke album that seemed to have as little to do with the passion and love of making music as possible. it doesn't suit the band. it's a good album, yes. and i like it. i just don't believe it, if you know what i mean. it's not their style, whereas when say radiohead, wilco or hell even sonic youth switch styles...it's a wholehearted and honest experimental effort.
of course, i'm not u2 so what do i know about it.
fair point. but, i think maybe you're not giving U2 enough credit here. having said that, i don't know whether or not they deserve the credit. their last two records certainly suggest they don't. i suppose i just like what i hear with this album, regardless of intent or who made it. it's U2 branching out and doing what they want, as opposed to just making a radio friendly record (again, like their last two). it's much harder to take U2's 90s and 00's music as seriously as their 80's records. something about the honesty of those older songs, maybe. before they got so big and people's perceptions warped the band.
Iago wrote:
Zooropa is the better beginning-to-end listening experience. I agree w/ the argument made in this thread.
yes. this is what i'm trying to get at. maybe the thread title was to an extent just me being provocative, but this is essentially what i'm saying.
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the only response i can possibly make to that assertion is "this thread sucks"
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