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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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It was an offhand observation. You're making it a bigger deal than I did.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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All I know is that "Visions of Johanna" and "Desolation Row" are two of the greatest songs ever (especially the live 66 versions) and Blood on the Tracks is one of the greatest albums ever. I don't know how much plagiarism was involved, but that's what puts Bob Dylan before everyone else.


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I have no recollection of making that post, but I was pretty drunk and dancing to Sam Cooke before bed last night, so I don't think I was all that bothered. Probably just didn't want to dance to Danny Boy or something.


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Sam Cooke is another artist that Bob Dylan has been accused of copping from in recent years. What a phony!

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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All I know is that "Visions of Johanna" and "Desolation Row" are two of the greatest songs ever (especially the live 66 versions) and Blood on the Tracks is one of the greatest albums ever. I don't know how much plagiarism was involved, but that's what puts Bob Dylan before everyone else.


I don't think there have been direct sources cited for many if any of the mid-'60's tunes. You can trace some of his earliest originals to source material, probably the most notable instance being "Girl of the North Country" (a derivative of "Scarborough Fair"), and almost all of his post-2000 material, but I think the "Highway 61"/"Blonde on Blonde" stuff remains fairly individual. I mean, it has many lineages, but I don't think much of it was relying on the actual words or melodies of other songwriters.

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that video was dumb. that's not how love at first sight works!

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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I liked that song. It made me vaguely curious about current era bob dylan

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Current era, derivative Bob Dylan is the only one that I really like to listen to. I appreciate the mid-60's albums for their lyrics, but don't care for the voice or the music. But Time out of Mind->Love and Theft-> Modern Times, now that's some awesome stuff. The music on those albums is killer, and his "been around the world 1,000,000 times" voice suits the subject matter and music perfectly.

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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stip wrote:
I liked that song. It made me vaguely curious about current era bob dylan


It's worth checking out, Stip. Try "Love and Theft"--the wits of the young Bob with the experience of the old...

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 Post subject: Re: Bob Dylan: Tempest
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I'm seeing Dylan on Thursday. I hope I get to hear this.

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stip wrote:
I liked that song. It made me vaguely curious about current era bob dylan

Holy hell you have no idea what you're missing out on. Like Kevin Davis said, try Love & Theft but then take a look at Time Out Of Mind.

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Kevin Davis wrote:
Three more have leaked:
Narrow Way - http://youtu.be/ysk5yrF-818
Pay In Blood - http://youtu.be/ndXoaqMJKHA
Scarlet Town - http://youtu.be/UGFOjhW-gR0

Welp, these disappeared before I got a chance to listen.

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This is a real nice comp of more modern era stuff.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Three more have leaked:
Narrow Way - http://youtu.be/ysk5yrF-818
Pay In Blood - http://youtu.be/ndXoaqMJKHA
Scarlet Town - http://youtu.be/UGFOjhW-gR0

Welp, these disappeared before I got a chance to listen.

my first reaction was that Duquesne Whistle was the best among those four. Scarlet Town stood out as well.

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SuperNintendoChalmers wrote:
This is a real nice comp of more modern era stuff.

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Kevin Davis wrote:
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
All I know is that "Visions of Johanna" and "Desolation Row" are two of the greatest songs ever (especially the live 66 versions) and Blood on the Tracks is one of the greatest albums ever. I don't know how much plagiarism was involved, but that's what puts Bob Dylan before everyone else.


I don't think there have been direct sources cited for many if any of the mid-'60's tunes. You can trace some of his earliest originals to source material, probably the most notable instance being "Girl of the North Country" (a derivative of "Scarborough Fair"), and almost all of his post-2000 material, but I think the "Highway 61"/"Blonde on Blonde" stuff remains fairly individual. I mean, it has many lineages, but I don't think much of it was relying on the actual words or melodies of other songwriters.


The whole interview is fantastic, but from 1:00-3:20 I love the way he talks about writing music during the mid 60's period. And him saying, "I can do other things now, but I can't do that." I mean, if correct, what he can do now is play off old melodies and make his own songs, like the blues musicians of old have done.

But that wholly original spark? Gone. Which makes his mystique all the more vital.



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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Remember this gem?



People were so mad when this first aired. You think Pearl Jam fans and their whining about Target are bad. Sheesh.

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Remember this gem?



People were so mad when this first aired. You think Pearl Jam fans and their whining about Target are bad. Sheesh.

What's funny is that he said he would do exactly that back in the 60s.

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