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Palestinians: Tel Aviv Bombing Legitimate

By DANIEL ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer


A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up outside a fast-food restaurant in a bustling area of Tel Aviv during the Passover holiday Monday, killing eight other people and wounding at least 49 in the deadliest Palestinian attack in more than a year.

The Palestinians' new Hamas leaders called the attack a legitimate response to Israeli "aggression." Israel said it held Hamas ultimately responsible — even though a different militant group, Islamic Jihad, claimed responsibility — and would respond "as necessary."

"We shall, of course, continue to use all means at our disposal to prevent every other attempt," Israeli Prime Minister-designate Ehud Olmert said.

Israeli defense chiefs were to consult later Monday, but security officials said a possible reoccupation of Gaza, the base of the new Hamas government, was not being considered.

The White House strongly condemned the attack, calling it "a despicable act of terror for which there is no excuse or justification."

A security guard posted outside the restaurant, the target of a suicide bombing in January, prevented Monday's bomber from entering the building, police said.

It was the first suicide attack in Israel since the Hamas militant group took over the Palestinian government 2 1/2 weeks ago. Hamas, which has killed hundreds of Israelis in attacks, has largely observed a cease-fire since February 2005.

Islamic Jihad, which is believed to be funded in part by Iran and refuses to observe a cease-fire, claimed responsibility in a telephone call to The Associated Press. The group identified the bomber as Sami Salim Mohammed Hammed, from the West Bank town of Jenin.

Islamic Jihad later released a video showing Hammed reading a statement saying the bombing was dedicated to the thousands of Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

"There are many other bombers on the way," he said.

Hammed, appearing to be in his teens, was dressed in black and wore a headband with yellow Quranic verses written on it.

Islamic Jihad has claimed responsibility for all six of the previous suicide attacks inside Israel since the cease-fire was declared. On Sunday, the group pledged to carry out more attacks.

The response by Hamas leaders represented a sharp departure from the previous Palestinian leadership's immediate condemnations of such attacks.

"We think that this operation ... is a direct result of the policy of the occupation and the brutal aggression and siege committed against our people," said Khaled Abu Helal, spokesman for the Hamas-led Interior Ministry.

Earlier, Moussa abu Marzouk, a Hamas leader abroad, told Al-Jazeera television that "the Israeli side must feel what the Palestinian feels, and the Palestinian defends himself as much as he can."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, of the rival Fatah Party, condemned the bombing, calling it a "terrorist attack."

The bomber struck at about 1:40 p.m. at "The Mayor's Falafel" restaurant, which was targeted in a Jan. 19 attack that wounded 20 people. The restaurant is in the bustling Neve Shaanan neighborhood near Tel Aviv's central bus station, which was crowded with holiday travelers.

Police said the restaurant hired a security guard after the earlier bombing, and that guard apparently was injured in Monday's blast.

A witness, Moussa al Zidat, said the guard asked the apparent bomber to open his bag.

"I saw a young man starting to open his bag. The guard begins opening the bag, and then I heard a boom."

Witness Israel Yaakov said the blast killed a woman standing near her husband and children.

"The father was traumatized. He went into shock. He ran to the children to gather them up and the children were screaming, 'Mom! Mom!' and she wasn't answering, she was dead already ... it's a shocking scene," Yaakov said.

Another witness, 62-year-old Sonya Levy, said she had just finished shopping when the blast occurred.

"I was about to get into my car, and boom! There was an explosion. A bit of human flesh landed on my car and I started to scream," she said.

Her car was 50 yards from the explosion and its windshield was smeared with blood.

Olmert said the blast came as no surprise.

"It's not something that we didn't fear would happen, we know the terrorist organizations groups continue at every moment to look for opportunities to carry out attacks inside Israel," he said. "The security forces are deployed in every corner, every place, but we also know that there is no way we can always prevent such attacks, under all circumstances, in every case."

Police said nine people, including the bomber, were killed. Medics said nine of the injured were in serious condition.

The wounded were treated on sidewalks. One man was lying on his side, his shirt pushed up and his back covered by bandages. A bleeding woman was wheeled away on a stretcher. A dazed-looking man walked near the site, his white T-shirt splattered with blood.

The blast shattered the windshields of cars, and blew out the windows of nearby buildings. The ground was covered with glass shards and blood. The sign of the restaurant's building was blown away. Bottles and other debris were scattered up to 25 yards from the site of the blast.

While rescue crews tended to the wounded, a helicopter hovered overhead and a marksman took position on the roof of the targeted building.

Later, Israeli police stopped a car carrying three Palestinians suspected of aiding the bomber, officials said. The car, identified by witnesses at the scene of the attack, was stopped at a checkpoint on a highway between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, police said.

Authorities suspected the vehicle was "directly connected" to the attack, police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said. The car's three occupants were detained for questioning, and a bomb squad was examining the vehicle.

Monday's bombing was the deadliest since Aug. 31, 2004, when suicide bombers on two buses in Beersheba killed 16 Israelis.

It was the second major Passover bombing in four years. In 2002, a Palestinian bomber blew himself up at a hotel in the coastal town of Netanya, killing 29 people. That attack triggered a major Israeli military offensive.

Palestinian militants have carried out nine suicide attacks in Israel and the West Bank since a Feb. 8, 2005, truce declaration. All but one attack have been carried out by Islamic Jihad.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Gideon Meir said Israel held Hamas ultimately responsible for such attacks because it is "giving support to all the other terrorist organizations."

"From our point of view it doesn't matter if it comes from Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad or Hamas. They all come out of the same school of terrorism led by Hamas," he said.


This is not surprising at all... I wonder how long people can still support Hamas simply because they were democratically elected. They are continuously proving to the world that they have never and should never be trusted. Pretty much a no-brainer if you ask me...


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Why is it necessary to target civilians again? Does that somehow drive home the point that you are an oppressed person or something? I thought that resistance organizations usually went about blowing up railroads and checkpoints and punishing collaborators. Perhaps thats "too 1943". :?


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When Germany is done with Iran, they should handle Hamas next.

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When Germany is done with Iran, they should handle Hamas next.


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It's disgusting that the elected government of the people would endorse this, but I can't say I expected much else. Israel will strike now, and it's not going to be pretty. The Israeli ambassador is talking WWIII shit like davejeni. :shock:

Israel Warns of New 'Axis of Terror'

By LAURIE COPANS, Associated Press Writer
20 minutes ago

After Hamas defended a deadly suicide bombing Monday, Israel's U.N. ambassador warned that recent statements by the Palestinian government, Iran and Syria "are clear declarations of war, and I urge each and every one of you to listen carefully and take them at face value."

Ambassador Dan Gillerman cautioned that a new "axis of terror" — Iran, Syria and the Hamas-run Palestinian government — was sowing the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century.

"A dark cloud is looming above our region, and it is metastasizing as a result of the statements and actions by leaders of Iran, Syria, and the newly elected government of the Palestinian Authority," he said.


A Palestinian suicide bomber struck a packed fast-food restaurant during Passover, killing nine people and wounding dozens in the deadliest bombing in more than a year. In a sharp departure from the previous Palestinian government's condemnations of bombings, the Hamas-led administration defended the attack as a legitimate response to Israeli "aggression."

The Palestinian U.N. observer, Riyad Mansour, condemned Monday's suicide bombing and the loss of innocent civilians on both sides. But he attacked Israel for its latest military escalation — which killed 21 Palestinians from April 7-9.

The bloodshed and Hamas' hard-line stance could set the stage for harsh Israeli reprisals and endanger Hamas' efforts to secure desperately needed international aid and acceptance.

Israel said it held Hamas responsible for the attack in Tel Aviv even though a separate group, Islamic Jihad, claimed responsibility. Islamic Jihad has close ties to Israel's archenemy, Iran.


"Hamas' constant preaching for the destruction of Israel serves as a catalyst for these attacks," said David Baker, an Israeli government spokesman.

In an initial response, Israeli aircraft attacked an empty metal workshop in Gaza City early Tuesday, causing no injuries. The army said the workshop was used by the Popular Resistance Committee's militant group to manufacture homemade rockets to launch at Israel.

The Palestinian suicide attack took place just two hours before Israel's newly elected parliament was sworn into office, and Prime Minister-designate Ehud Olmert said Israel would react with appropriate means.

The moderate Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas of the rival Fatah party, condemned the suicide bombing and said he had ordered Palestinian security forces to prevent future attacks.

"These kinds of attacks harm the Palestinian interest, and we as an authority and government must move to stop it," Abbas said. "We will not stop pursuing anyone who carries out such attacks."

But Abbas is currently in a power struggle with Hamas, and it remains unclear who is ultimately in charge of the Palestinians' security forces.

The European Union condemned the bombing, and Russia called on the Palestinian Authority to stop future attacks. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan told the Palestinian government "to take a clear public stand" against such acts. And the United States warned of grave consequences for the Hamas-led government.


Despite the suicide bombing, Annan announced later Monday that the four key players promoting Mideast peace efforts — the United Nations, the United States, the European Union and Russia — would meet in New York on May 9 to discuss prospects for settling the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

The bombing was the first inside Israel since the Hamas Cabinet took office 2 1/2 weeks ago. Militants from Islamic Jihad celebrated by handing out pastries on the streets of Gaza.

The attack came amid a sharp increase in fighting between Israel and the Palestinians across the Gaza border. Militants have fired barrages of homemade rockets at Israel, and Israel has responded with artillery fire.

The suicide bombing took place about 1:40 p.m. when the attacker, carrying a bag stuffed with 10 pounds of explosives, approached "The Mayor's Falafel" near Tel Aviv's central bus station. The restaurant, which had been the target of a January bombing, was packed with Israelis on vacation during the weeklong Passover holiday.

A guard outside was checking the bomber's bag when the device exploded, police and witnesses said.

"Suddenly there was a boom. The whole restaurant flew in the air," said Azi Otmazgo, 35, who was wounded on his hands, foot and head.

The bomb, laced with nails and other projectiles, shattered car windshields, smashed windows of nearby buildings and blew away the restaurant's sign. Blood splattered the ground. Police said the guard's body was torn in half.

The explosion killed a woman standing near her husband and children, said Israel Yaakov, another witness.

"The father was traumatized, he went into shock. He ran to the children to gather them up, and the children were screaming, 'Mom! Mom!' and she wasn't answering, she was dead already," he said.

The wounded were treated on sidewalks. One man was lying on his side, his shirt pushed up and his back covered by bandages. A bleeding woman was wheeled away on a stretcher.

Police said nine civilians and the bomber were killed and dozens were wounded.

The attack was the deadliest since a double suicide bombing on two buses in the southern city of Beersheba killed 16 people on Aug. 31, 2004. It was the second major Passover bombing in four years. A 2002 attack at a hotel in the coastal town of Netanya killed 29 people and triggered a major Israeli military offensive.

Hamas, responsible for dozens of suicide bombings in recent years, has largely observed a 16-month truce with Israel, but Hamas leaders defended Monday's bombing.

"We think that this operation ... is a direct result of the policy of the occupation and the brutal aggression and siege committed against our people," said Khaled Abu Helal, spokesman for the Hamas-led Interior Ministry.


Israeli President Moshe Katsav appealed to the Palestinians to reject violence.

"We want to believe that the political path of the Hamas government is not the path of the Palestinians," he said.

Islamic Jihad identified the bomber as Samer Hammad, 21, from a village outside the West Bank town of Jenin.

In a video released by the group, Hammad said the bombing was dedicated to the thousands of Palestinians in Israeli jails. "There are many other bombers on the way," he said, wearing an Islamic Jihad headband.

Islamic Jihad was behind eight of the nine suicide bombings since the truce declaration.

The attack complicated the Hamas effort to raise money for the bankrupt Palestinian treasury. Hamas is two weeks late paying March salaries for the government's 140,000 workers.

The U.S. and European Union cut off aid to the government because Hamas refused their demands to renounce violence and recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel also stopped transferring tens of millions of tax dollars it collects on the Palestinians' behalf every month.

Hamas said it would turn to Muslim countries to make up the shortfall. Iran and Qatar each pledged $50 million to the Palestinian Authority.
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Let the money run out, let the people start to starve...then we'll see how much faith they have in Hamas. At this point, I think every Palestinian who voted for Hamas has blood on their hands.

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i cant believe the amount fools on this board who defended Hamas and called them harmless & the election is good news.

Their a terroist group backed by iran, (cold blooded killers) with one aim destroy Israel.


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After Hamas defended a deadly suicide bombing Monday, Israel's U.N. ambassador warned that recent statements by the Palestinian government, Iran and Syria "are clear declarations of war, and I urge each and every one of you to listen carefully and take them at face value."

Ambassador Dan Gillerman cautioned that a new "axis of terror" — Iran, Syria and the Hamas-run Palestinian government — was sowing the seeds of the first world war of the 21st century.

"A dark cloud is looming above our region, and it is metastasizing as a result of the statements and actions by leaders of Iran, Syria, and the newly elected government of the Palestinian Authority," he said.


Meatwad we are on the verge of ww3 but no one sees it , jesus said it would be like Noahs time.You can criticise me all you like.

Israel have some terrible things to happen.

I have said for weeks Half of Jerusalem will fall sometime in the future, it will be IRAN backed hamasl d this this. with israel in a panic they will call upon German led EU to bail them out but Germany will take both out.israel think hamas isbiggest enermy, it aint them Its this EU juggernault coming.

read this prophecy hosea 5.13
13 "When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah his wound, Then Ephraim went to Assyria, and sent to king Jareb: but he is not able to heal you, neither will he cure you of your wound.

Judah is modern Israel , Assryia is modern Germany.[/b]


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i cant believe the amount fools on this board who defended Hamas and called them harmless & the election is good news.

Their a terroist group backed by iran, (cold blooded killers) with one aim destroy Israel.

Did anyone say it was "good news"? Did anyone say they were "harmless"?

No. We just said it wasn't the apolcalypse, and still might not be. Besides, fuck it if it is.

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When Germany is done with Iran, they should handle Hamas next.


dont worry hamas are going down with them to.


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No. We just said it wasn't the apolcalypse, and still might not be. Besides, fuck it if it is.


Right.

I don't see how my assessment of a democratically elected Hamas has all of a sudden changed. It still beats an outside appointed "interim" government who don't have the mandate of the people, or better yet, a dictatorship of some kind.

Frankly, I don't see where you pro-Israel zionist folks' logic leads. The Palestinian people hate Israel, so therefore what? Nuke 'em?

Any step towards peace must begin with the democratic mandate from the Israeli and Palestinian people. No one has proved to me that we can come to a peaceful solution while bypassing this requirement.

I'm all ears, however, if you have a good one.

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You know, I started to question a couple months ago if the strategy in Iraq was a good thing, because I supported it from the beginning. Is an act of violence necessary? But if the war with Israel and the rest of the middle east was inevitable, I'm starting to change my mind again about Iraq and figure it was for the best, to try changing something over there. Maybe Iraq was adding fuel to the fire I don't know, but at least were trying to help change something. If there is a WW3, it's breaking out over there thats for sure.

Any attempt at peaceful negotiations with that region results in a failure


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pisses me off


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shades-go-down wrote:
Frankly, I don't see where you pro-Israel zionist folks' logic leads. The Palestinian people hate Israel, so therefore what? Nuke 'em?


You can be pro-Israel and not zionist... and who said that israel should "nuke 'em"??? No one on this board (as far as I know) has called for that. Nuking them has never been an option... why are you saying this?


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I, personally, am shocked. I had predicted Hamas would bring new peace to the region. I should know better than to disagree with LittleWing and davejeni.

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Israel has shown hamas & palestine terrorist attacks do work & that is why they continue to do this.
ISRAEL HAVE KICKED ISRAELI SETTLERS OUT, to satisfy the needs of palestine.None of these peace deals have worked none ever will.
Israel does not have the will or faith to defeat palestine.Its the same with America their will is broken & power is in vain, that is what god said would happpen.The worst suffering ever is about to come upon these nation & Australia Britain New Zealand & Canada.

Hamas dont care if other nations drop funding their backed by iran who want Hamas to keep up these attacks for money.

Iran are gonna start blocking oil thats the ace u ots sleeve, Her in Australia it hit $70.00 a barrell so if it cuts supplis in the middle east.The middle east is going to erupt.

Soon hamas & Iran led islam will attack jerusalem, they have way more will to fight than israel, the will of israel is broken.

Next week the big 8 i think ,meet to discuss Iran nuclear program, we should all know iran wont back down & they will oil to hurt other countries keep an eye on relations between the germans & iran to get nasty.


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punkdavid wrote:
No. We just said it wasn't the apolcalypse, and still might not be. Besides, fuck it if it is.


Right.

I don't see how my assessment of a democratically elected Hamas has all of a sudden changed. It still beats an outside appointed "interim" government who don't have the mandate of the people, or better yet, a dictatorship of some kind.

Frankly, I don't see where you pro-Israel zionist folks' logic leads. The Palestinian people hate Israel, so therefore what? Nuke 'em?

Any step towards peace must begin with the democratic mandate from the Israeli and Palestinian people. No one has proved to me that we can come to a peaceful solution while bypassing this requirement.

I'm all ears, however, if you have a good one.




Ultimately, the overarching point here is that any government - democratically elected or not - that explicit or implicitly supports attacks on civilians of another country, has declared war on that country. Declaring war on Israel is NOT in the Palestinians' best interests. Hamas is betraying their own people, which is what all Palestinian heads of state have done, except for (possibly) Abbas.

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You know, I started to question a couple months ago if the strategy in Iraq was a good thing, because I supported it from the beginning. Is an act of violence necessary? But if the war with Israel and the rest of the middle east was inevitable, I'm starting to change my mind again about Iraq and figure it was for the best, to try changing something over there. Maybe Iraq was adding fuel to the fire I don't know, but at least were trying to help change something. If there is a WW3, it's breaking out over there thats for sure.

Any attempt at peaceful negotiations with that region results in a failure

It's funny. I still think that the Iraq war was all kinds of the wrong thing to do, but if it turns out that the shit is going to hit the fan in the Middle East, the US could be in a worse place than to have 100,000 troops in the most centrally located country.

This is assuming of course that we'd want to have anything to do with the eventually shitstorm and wouldn't prefer to watch it from the sidelines.

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punkdavid wrote:
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You know, I started to question a couple months ago if the strategy in Iraq was a good thing, because I supported it from the beginning. Is an act of violence necessary? But if the war with Israel and the rest of the middle east was inevitable, I'm starting to change my mind again about Iraq and figure it was for the best, to try changing something over there. Maybe Iraq was adding fuel to the fire I don't know, but at least were trying to help change something. If there is a WW3, it's breaking out over there thats for sure.

Any attempt at peaceful negotiations with that region results in a failure

It's funny. I still think that the Iraq war was all kinds of the wrong thing to do, but if it turns out that the shit is going to hit the fan in the Middle East, the US could be in a worse place than to have 100,000 troops in the most centrally located country.

This is assuming of course that we'd want to have anything to do with the eventually shitstorm and wouldn't prefer to watch it from the sidelines.



The U.S. will never watch anything in the mideast from the sidelines.

O-I-L

Having said that, I completely support a targeted assassination of the Iranian president. That guy is just nuts, and - like Hamas - he's only leading his own people into a ditch.

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