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Bush opposes singing anthem in Spanish
Updated 4/29/2006 7:41 AM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Bush said Friday the national anthem should be sung in English — not Spanish — in a blunt rejection of a new Spanish-language version. He also expressed opposition to a national work stoppage called for Monday to dramatize the importance of immigrants to the U.S. economy.

"I'm not a supporter of boycotts," Bush said, while restating his support for a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws.

Bush made his comments at a Rose Garden news conference as a Spanish-language version of "The Star-Spangled Banner," hit the airways featuring artists such as Wyclef Jean, hip-hop star Pitbull and Puerto Rican singers Carlos Ponce and Olga Tanon.

Called "Nuestro Himno" — "Our Anthem" — the Spanish version rewrites some of the English version. For instance, the second stanza says, "My people keep fighting. It's time to break the chains."

"I think people who want to be a citizen of this country ought to learn English and they ought to learn to sing the national anthem in English," Bush said.

Monday's planned boycott and the emergence of a Spanish-language anthem are ingredients in a national debate over how to deal with an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States. It is an issue that has sent hundreds of thousands of protesters into the streets of major U.S. cities to demand the lowering of citizenship barriers. Congress is struggling to deal with the issue, and the House and Senate are moving on opposite tracks.

"I understand how difficult this issue is for some people here in Washington and around the country," Bush said. His approach calls for a temporary guest worker program, tougher enforcement of laws against hiring illegal immigrants and stricter border controls.

Acknowledging that it has become a highly charged topic, Bush said, "One of the things that's very important is when we debate this issue that we not lose our national soul."

British music producer Adam Kidron, who came up with the idea of the Spanish anthem, said it was not intended to discourage immigrants from learning English or embracing American culture.

"We instead view 'Nuestro Himno' as a song that affords those immigrants that have not yet learned the English language the opportunity to fully understand the character of 'The Star-Spangled Banner,' the American flag and the ideals of freedom that they represent," Kidron said in a written statement.

Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., said he would introduce a Senate resolution Monday "giving senators an opportunity to remind the country why we sing our national anthem in English." Noting that America is a nation of immigrants, Alexander said, "We are proud of the countries we have come from, but we are prouder to be Americans."

Monday's protest is dubbed "A day Without Immigrants." Activists are urging immigrants across the United States to skip work, avoid spending money and march in the streets. But there are concerns that such protests will make immigrants look anti-American, annoy the public and alienate lawmakers in Washington

Senate leaders, meanwhile, edged closer to an agreement that could clear the way for passage of broad immigration legislation.

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid told reporters he was dropping two demands that contributed to gridlock several weeks ago. He said he would no longer insist that conservative critics be limited to three chances to change the bill before it passes. And he said he would no longer try to dictate which Republicans are named to negotiate a final bill with the House.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has said he wants votes on 20 or more amendments, and that it is not up to Democrats to decide which Republicans are picked to bargain with the House. At the same time, he has been meeting privately with fellow Republicans this week to reduce the number of amendments.

Reid made his comments three days after a White House meeting that was designed to impart fresh momentum in the drive for election-year legislation. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement.

Supporters of the Senate legislation claim roughly 70 votes for their bill. It includes provisions to strengthen the nation's borders, expand a guest worker program and give many of the nation's illegal immigrants an eventual opportunity to become citizens.

Legislation passed by the Republican-controlled House last year is limited to border security, and makes illegal immigrants vulnerable to criminal felony charges.

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Posted 4/29/2006 1:15 AM ET


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I remain unconvinced that the United States needs a national language and I fail to care what language the national anthem is sung in. I don't get why THIS is where Bush takes his stand in opposition to immigrants.

As far as his not being a "supporter of boycotts," yeah ... well, neither was the Montgomery Transit Authority.

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Lyrics. It's not a direct translation of the SSB.

'Nuestro Himno' ('Our Anthem')

Amanece, lo veis?, a la luz de la aurora?
lo que tanto aclamamos la noche caer?
sus estrellas sus franjas
flotaban ayer
en el fiero combate
en señal de victoria,
fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada.
Por la noche decían:
"Se va defendiendo!"
Oh decid! Despliega aún
Voz a su hermosura estrellada,
sobre tierra de libres,
la bandera sagrada?
Sus estrellas, sus franjas,
la libertad, somos iguales.
Somos hermanos, en nuestro himno.
En el fiero combate en señal de victoria,
Fulgor de lucha, al paso de la libertada.
Mi gente sigue luchando.
Ya es tiempo de romper las cadenas.
Por la noche decían: "!Se va defendiendo!"
Oh decid! Despliega aún su hermosura estrellada
sobre tierra de libres,
la bandera sagrada?



English translation:

By the light of the dawn, do you see arising,
what we proudly hailed at twilight's last fall?
Its stars, its stripes
yesterday streamed
above fierce combat
a gleaming emblem of victory
and the struggle toward liberty.
Throughout the night, they proclaimed:
"We will defend it!"
Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave
above the land of the free,
the sacred flag?
Its stars, its stripes,
liberty, we are the same.
We are brothers in our anthem.
In fierce combat, a gleaming emblem of victory
and the struggle toward liberty.
My people fight on.
The time has come to break the chains.
Throughout the night they proclaimed, "We will defend it!"
Tell me! Does its starry beauty still wave
above the land of the free,
the sacred flag?

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He also expressed opposition to a national work stoppage called for Monday to dramatize the importance of immigrants to the U.S. economy.



lawns will grow out of control and thousands of oranges will go unsold.


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I fail to care what language the national anthem is sung in.


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I remain unconvinced that the United States needs a national language and I fail to care what language the national anthem is sung in. I don't get why THIS is where Bush takes his stand in opposition to immigrants.


That's my thought too. This seems like nothing more than a topic for morning AM radio hosts to get upset about and pundits who report on "Wars on Chirstmas". I love how people get upset with this when the only time they really hear the English version of the anthem is from the beer line before a Red Sox game.

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there is no place for the accordion in our national anthem


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I don't care what language the anthem is sung in, but if you're going to sing it in Spanish, it better be a true translation or else it kinda loses its meaning.

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they are lucky our national anthem doesn't have the words "bath" or "shower" in it... they don't have those words in mexican


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they are lucky our national anthem doesn't have the words "bath" or "shower" in it... they don't have those words in mexican


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He also expressed opposition to a national work stoppage called for Monday to dramatize the importance of immigrants to the U.S. economy.



lawns will grow out of control and thousands of oranges will go unsold.


It appears as though the major impact will be that rich people will have to clean their own fucking toilets:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060429/ap_ ... N5bmNhdA--

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As far as his not being a "supporter of boycotts," yeah ... well, neither was the Montgomery Transit Authority.

seriously - this is so typical of the race-baiting politics that pervades the left wing these days - one of the big reasons the democrats are struggling so mightily.

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I don't care what language the anthem is sung in, but if you're going to sing it in Spanish, it better be a true translation or else it kinda loses its meaning.


that's the first thing that came to mind when i saw the translation yesterday.

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I don't care what language the anthem is sung in, but if you're going to sing it in Spanish, it better be a true translation or else it kinda loses its meaning.


that's the first thing that came to mind when i saw the translation yesterday.


Does it say, "One day we will reclaim this land from the gringos!" ?


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I don't care what language the anthem is sung in, but if you're going to sing it in Spanish, it better be a true translation or else it kinda loses its meaning.


that's the first thing that came to mind when i saw the translation yesterday.


I thought it was quite a good interpretation. I mean, a straight word-for-word translation would likely sound stupid when laid over the music.

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okay, but francis scott key wrote those words specifically for a reason based on what he saw.
i realize there are going to be some slight changes, but they really didn't even keep the same tune.

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i can see j-lo singin the spanish national anthem at the next superbowl, followed by some diva singin it in english..that should be good for about a half-hour of my time

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failed smile wrote:
they are lucky our national anthem doesn't have the words "bath" or "shower" in it... they don't have those words in mexican


are you fucking serious?

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English should be the national language and the National Anthem should be sung in English you fucksticks.

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English should be the national language and the National Anthem should be sung in English you fucksticks.


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English should be the national language and the National Anthem should be sung in English you fucksticks.


:roll:



You roll your eyes, but how do think the French would react to their national anthem being sung in enligsh? Or the Chinese national anthem was sung in Japanese?

We don't need a national language, we need a world wide "common tongue".

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