as a Knicks fan I am growing tired of Isaiah Thomas. He is as overhyped in NYC as Jeremy Shockey. Yes hes better than Scott Layden, but my dog would have been better than Scott Layden.

So the hot rumors of the last 2 weeks all involve Isaiah wanting so badly to aquire the bum Vince Carter. Apparently Isaiah Thomas loves Vince SOO much that he is willing to ignore the fact that VIN-SANITY is ALL of the following:

1. Selfish
2. Injured
3. Lazy
4. A Coward when it comes to taking game-deciding shots
5. A shit defender
6. Washed up

So much is VC the apple of Ike's eye that he might in fact trade his own golden boy, a chucker named Jamal Crawford, who he spent the entire offseason trying to get and now has Crawford head over heels in love with being a NYK.....nice way to treat the guy right?

The WORST part of this is that TWO of the following players would 100% likely need to be in the deal:

1. Mike Sweetney, who given the opportunity to play has the talent to become Larry Johnson with a better inside defensive game. Sweetney is a monster who they say is the easiest guy in the world to coach, i.e. hes not a selfish prick who wants to be a star, but wants to learn to be a better player

2. Jerome Williams, who is the spark off the bench, the one who energizes a mostly lackluster team, who PLAYS DEFENSE like the 90's knicks, and who respects the game and the city.

3. Nazr Mohamed, who is the only true center on the team. Who is developing into a force at the position, when there are no other centers in the east to worry about really(cept shaq). Hmm, the Knicks have been completely worthless at C since Big Fella left. SO Isaiah...WHY TRADE A GOOD CENTER FOR ANOTHER SHOOTING GUARD???????????

Isaiah Thomas, stop fucking with this team because your getting board sitting in your big fancy office all day with shit to do.

I am not a knicks fan, and I was not a fan of isiah, but ya gotta give the guy a break, he is trying to find something that work and deal with a cap nightmare created by management before him, so far I'd say nazi mohamed and jamal crawford are working out pretty good

I agree. He inherited a mess and has made the most of it. I love Crawford, if he traded him for Carter I would be pissed though.

i would agree with both of you if he stopped there. But no one can tell me adding Vince Carter who is a BUM while gettign rid of their one true center and a young stud like Sweetney is a good deal.

The day Indiana hired Larry Bird as their President of Baskeball Operations I knew it was the end of Thomas' run as the shittiest coach in Pacers history. I fucking HATE Isiah Thomas. As much as I do not like the Knicks, I did feel bad for you guys when the Knicks hired him. P. Diddy doesnt seem so bad now does he?

i don't really want Carter

apparently Isiah has told them that Sweetney is off limits. As for Nazr, he's been looking very good, but he hasn't exaclty been going up against any elite big men. He's the type of guy you package for a much better player.

If Carter is healthy, I have no problem with brining him in. If motivated, he becomes a legit top 10 (non center) player in this league. It was only a few years ago that he almost carried that Raptors team to the finals.

Knicks are over the cap until '07 anyway, so if Isiah can bring in Carter, I say go for it.

At the very least, he's a tradeable commodity for something else down the road.

Nah tubbs, Vince Carter is one of the softest players in nba history. and in the clutch he is completely worthless. hes scared of the big shot. remember the playoffs in 200 where he passed up the wide open jumper with seconds left that could have won them the game? I do . that showed complete gutlessness.

I want NO part of him on the knicks. Id rather they get Eddie Curry. at least hes a center. do they really need another SF/G?

I think he has it in him to be more than the "soft" player you've seen the last couple of years. Even if he comes to NY and sucks, he'll still have value throught the league in a trade for someone else. If Isiah can get Carter/Rose for bums like Tim Thomas and filler, he HAS to do it.

Regarding Curry, I would trade Nazr for Curry in a heartbeat.
Sure it's a risk, but Nazr is about as good as he's ever going to get, and you don't win championships with guys like him getting 35-40 mins a game.

Curry has been a jerk for most of his career, but if you get him away from his hometown, he may finally grow into all his talent.

hes pissed me off for so long, cause until shaq moved east, he never realised he was the biggest kid on the block

I could live with carter/rose if i had to ONLY if sweetney/JYD are not part of it. I am seriously impressed with what Jerome Williams adds to this team.

as for Curry, Paxson is holding out for everything he could get. And unfortunately it seems like the knicks have nothing they want, besides sweetney. But i would too take Curry right now.

don't forget, he's still only like 22 years old.

this is a perfect time to "buy low" on him. You get him with the right team and the right coach, you have a potential MONSTER in the middle.

he was on a tv show on fox, cant recall the name of it, but it followed three preps around for a semester or something, and he looked fairly grounded to me (least he did through editing). how in the fuck you can be that big and not want "it" is beyond me, if i was as big as he is, every single fucking day, id be in the gym, whether its during the season or off season

Sounds Perfect. Vince Carter would fit right in with the rest of the Knicks.

Don't worry too much. The Babcocks are known for their incompetence.

See: Atlanta Hawks and Toronto Raptors franchises.



You'd have 3 ball hogs on the team. Excellent moves, a 3 way melee for the ball.

The Knicks are the Mets of the NBA.

Crawford is up there with Kobe for never meeting a shot he didn't like.

that's one way to look at it......

But plenty of other people would be like, "I'm a millionaire at 18, why should I bust my ass for anything"

isiah was a decent ball player but he's never done anything since his playing days

well... that's not true.... he has done plenty since his playing days ... he brought down the CBA... he screwed the Raptors... he f'd up the Pacers chance of winning a title ... and he was an awful nba broadcaster.. and now he's bringing down the Knicks... although they weren't far from the bottom (just like my C's)

I don't know how bad Layden was but I can't believe Thomas is better


On the subject of ex-players who's only success has been when they inherited a team with talent.........

how is Byron Scott doing this year?? While he was with the Nets I told everyone it was Jason Kidd that was elevating that team... it was obvious to anyone with an eye for basketball ... but no commentator had the balls to say it... they all praised this young black coach who was doing an amazing job

and I didn't appreciate Byron calling me a drunk in the papers a few years ago in the playoffs.... that wasn't very nice

how's vin baker doing??

isiah a "decent" player?

there's really not much reason to read past that.

you beat me to it. any basketball knowledge that is claimed, is completely disregarded by the above statement

I'm so glad there are people here who immediately didn't let that statement slide. Decent...good lord.

Isiah (1981-1994) = amazing. i remember when he scored 16 points in 1 minute and 20 seconds in the playoffs. "decent" should never be used when talking about his playing days. he was a first ballot hall of famer for a reason. he was a jerk but if his time era was now he'd be dominating the league.

Isiah (1995-present) = decent coach, horrible at everything else.