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 Post subject: Perspective needed in Iraq. Bush is doing his job.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 7:09 pm 
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WHAT SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:


There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.



When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:



a. FDR led us into World War II.

b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.

From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...

an average of 112,500 per year.



c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.

From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...

an average of 18,334 per year.

d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.

From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..

an average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.



The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
. It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.



We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.



It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick



It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing HIS JOB!
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts



But Wait there's more!



JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13



Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living



This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.



Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate
when you've never held a real job?"



Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United State s Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."



"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..
with their mangled bodies in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!



You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.


You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags



You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about you?"


For those who don't remember
During WW.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.

Now he's a Senator!

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Great points! I'm convinced.


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This looks like typical e-mail fodder.

Who cares about comparing other wars? As Bill O'Reilly would say, you don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. War should be used much more sparingly than it has in recent history.

Taking Iraq may have been quick, but the process of rebuilding it is taking MUCH longer, and who knows when it will be done.


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The Branch Davidian Compound? The Rose Law Firm? Ted Kennedy and the bridge incident? This is how John Glenn defends the Iraq war?

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Green Habit wrote:
This looks like typical e-mail fodder.

Who cares about comparing other wars? As Bill O'Reilly would say, you don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. War should be used much more sparingly than it has in recent history.

Taking Iraq may have been quick, but the process of rebuilding it is taking MUCH longer, and who knows when it will be done.



Quoting O'Reilly?

Well I never.. :wink:

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So just because fewer troops have died in Iraq the war is okay?

Anyone who thinsk World War II was the same situation as Iraq is out of their mind.

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Green Habit wrote:
This looks like typical e-mail fodder.


Seriously. My Aunt Norma sends me shit like this almost every hour.


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you can prove almost anything these days with the right anecdotes and facts, 57% of people know that.

about the comment about how germany never attacked us, didn't they declare war on us as soon as we declared war on japan?


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You guys know that 71% of all statistics are made up, right?

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It's stupid and John Glenn never said it.

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In 2005, someone prefaced the John Glenn/Howard Metzenbaum article with the following item about Iraq. This addendum has nothing to do with John Glenn — it's an anonymous piece that has been floating around the Internet since 2004, but because it has been tacked onto an article about Glenn, readers have been misled into thinking that it is a transcription of something he said:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/glenn.asp

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Simple_Torture wrote:
So just because fewer troops have died in Iraq the war is okay?

Anyone who thinsk World War II was the same situation as Iraq is out of their mind.



Prostrate exams are never fun either, but sometimes it is good for preventative measures.

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The more I read that email, the worse it gets. The only purpose I see coming out of it is a flamewar.


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zxlr8 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
This looks like typical e-mail fodder.

Who cares about comparing other wars? As Bill O'Reilly would say, you don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. War should be used much more sparingly than it has in recent history.

Taking Iraq may have been quick, but the process of rebuilding it is taking MUCH longer, and who knows when it will be done.



Quoting O'Reilly?

Well I never.. :wink:


If you viewed this forum more, you should know that that's not a surprise. ;)


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Oh, and there were 47 US Military deaths in Iraq in January 2004, not 35.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... alties.htm

And John Glenn's term of office ended 4 years before the war in Iraq began.

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Green Habit wrote:
zxlr8 wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
This looks like typical e-mail fodder.

Who cares about comparing other wars? As Bill O'Reilly would say, you don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. War should be used much more sparingly than it has in recent history.

Taking Iraq may have been quick, but the process of rebuilding it is taking MUCH longer, and who knows when it will be done.



Quoting O'Reilly?

Well I never.. :wink:


If you viewed this forum more, you should know that that's not a surprise. ;)


Yeah, Nick is gay for O'Reilly. :twisted:

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zxlr8 wrote:
Simple_Torture wrote:
So just because fewer troops have died in Iraq the war is okay?

Anyone who thinsk World War II was the same situation as Iraq is out of their mind.



Prostrate exams are never fun either, but sometimes it is good for preventative measures.


I'm sure some people dig prostate exams.

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It is all in good fun. :wink: I just get a kick out of B all of a sudden madly typing words and phrases into Google in hopes to debunk this email before it spreads good values and he loses his sympathetics. :P

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Oh, and there were 47 US Military deaths in Iraq in January 2004, not 35.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... alties.htm

And John Glenn's term of office ended 4 years before the war in Iraq began.


i thought that he had been gone for a while. the thing in that post that set alarms ringing in my head was the part where glenn's opponent was a lawyer for the communist party during ww2; that would mean the guy was at least 95 years old by now and still serving in the senate. unless you are jesse helms, that doesn't happen.


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zxlr8 wrote:
It is all in good fun. :wink: I just get a kick out of B all of a sudden madly typing words and phrases into Google in hopes to debunk this email before it spreads good values and he loses his sympathetics. :P

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Mind of Meddle wrote:
zxlr8 wrote:
It is all in good fun. :wink: I just get a kick out of B all of a sudden madly typing words and phrases into Google in hopes to debunk this email before it spreads good values and he loses his sympathetics. :P

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