This flame war should be epic.

It should be moved to N&D first, then it will begin...

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is there really no law allowing income taxes?

After 6 minutes of watching, I can already tell you guys that this is so poorly made it's ridiculous. Soundbyte, soundbyte, soundbyte. Nothing to tie anything together anywhere. Awful.

Let it be known that I rather enjoyed the "Bikini Contest" video posted on that blog.

Good god this thing is utter shit.

i hate it when narrators talk down to you, with faux-surprise. very michael moore.

Yeah, it's his style, but done very poorly.

and with a more annoying voice.

apparently these people forgot about the sixteenth amendment:
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

This was shortly followed by the passing of the Income Tax Act in 1913.

Yeah, point is, the courts had to be packed, and it wasn't the intentions of the founding fathers. The lowest point for Republicans.

What do the courts have to do with it? The 16th Amendment is an amendment to the constitution not a court ruling. I believe people did try to challenge it but income taxes can't be unconstitutional if there is an amendment that says it's ok. That would be like if that Flag burning amendment passed and became part of constitution, it would be followed by congress making it illegal to burn flags, someone would try to sue saying it was against the first amendment but it would be stupid because the constitution was amended, you can't say a constitutional amendment is unconstitutional.
As for the what "Founding Fathers" intended, well one the things they intended was that only white men should vote does that mean the 15th and 19th amendments are meaningless.

Mind you I am no expert, nor am I taking a position one or the other; I'm just saying it is what it is.
This isn't directed at you, but I get so annoyed at people today when they start saying this that or the other is constitutional or unconstitutional and listening to them speak it's plainly obvious that they have never actually read the damn thing.

How would you apportion taxes in LW if not by income?

More importantly, since the way taxes were apportioned before the income tax was even more grossly unfair, why was this (very progressive) moment the lowest for the Republican Party?

QfT
Especially the bolded part.

But ultimately it was. Income taxes had been levied during the contitution and were ultimately struck down as unconstitutional in the courts. Which they are. The only way it could happen was with new judges or else again, it would have been struck down as unconstitutional in the courts. Even ammended, it still would have been struck down by the courts.

Even afterwards, the income tax, as well as FDR's New Deal programs were in jeopardy. The only way they got the job done was via court packing.

Today it's just standard quo. But still unconstitutional.



That ammendment can be lined out. Just like others.



Sales tax.



Because Republicans played a political game and they got burned. Their plan blew up in their face, and playing politics is what has led us to this gorrilla of a tax system that is quite frankly wrong.

I have no idea what that all means.


I'm no legal scholar, but I don't think anything you wrote in this post makes any sense at all. Were you rushed, did you just wake up? Collect your thoughts and try again.

In the meantime, this Wiki article is quite informative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax ... ted_States

What are you high? You can't just line out amendments to the constitution. If want to change something, get rid of an amendment, you have to pass another amendment. Such as the 21st amendment which repealed Prohibition, the 18th amendment.