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"I've been trying to say this since 9-11, but you worry me. I wish you
didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I
love, that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful
human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in
anymore. I notice you, and it worries me. I notice you because I can't
help it anymore. People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims,
have been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our friends for
more than 20 years now. I don't fully understand their grievances and
hate but I know that nothing can justify the inhumanity of their
attacks.
On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my
country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and
brutally stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and
crashed them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving
sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite
coaches, fearless public servants, and children's mothers. T he
Palestinians Celebrated, The Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the
Arab world.
So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the
soul of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American,
trying to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe
world, I must know how to tell the difference between you, and the
Arab/Muslim terrorist.
How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the
Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying
our parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR
constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these
same good neighbors and children? The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you
embraces our great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its
different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every
Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.
I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know whether or
not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you
proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray
in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He
will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it
in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only
this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of
hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this
country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by paying the
ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America? If this is your commitment,
then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.
Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this
time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are
taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of
the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more
benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I
worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more
sympathy...I am only interested in action. What will you do for America
- our great country -- at this time of crisis, at this time of war?
I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I
want to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America ." I want to see young
Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment
of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to
this nation as a whole. The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want
to talk to regarding t he WTC attack. Many of these people live and
socialize in Muslim communities. You know them. You know where they
are.
Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this
sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive
community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets.
You have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have
threatened lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.
The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the
media were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with
making sure that the United States proves who was responsible before
taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow
Muslims from violence directed towards them in the United States and
abroad than they did with supporting our country and denouncing
"leaders" like Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true
teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love for all people
then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and statements from
popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings
in the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders" are
teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and intolerance?
It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the
world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and
adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been
demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose structure is built
upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members
are recruited from the prisons around the world. A form whose members
(some as young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in and
week out, year after year, marching in the streets around the world,
burning effigies of our presidents, burning the American flag, shooting
weapons into the air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful
religion, only to take up arms against the great United States of
America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules are so twisted,
that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at airport
security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.
Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show
their faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do
you and your fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner,
or celebrate Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because
we have befriended Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in the
entire Middle East?
And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are
you even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to
undermine our peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I
want you to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where
women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion,
your friends, and your family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY
THERE! We will NEVER give in to your influence, your retarded
mentality, your twisted, violent, intolerant religion. We will NEVER
allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for that matter, to
take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights under the
greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where every Arab/
Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right and the right
of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right paid for by
the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died protecting
the very constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am
pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my
neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray
areas or ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to
show ME, where YOU stand. Until then .. you worry me."
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As a man with several close Arabic friends, I'm offended.
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B wrote:
As a man with several close Arabic friends, I'm offended.
Methinks you have a small dick.
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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shades-go-down wrote:
B wrote:
As a man with several close Arabic friends, I'm offended.
Methinks you have a small dick.
As a man with large dick, I'm offended.
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I suppose we should demand of every individual we encounter that they prove they are not a drunk-driver, child molester, drug traffiker, purse-snatcher, rapist, killer, etc.
because certainly these things are more common than "terrorist" and you cant differentiate them from the average joe (or jane) either.
if you don't want to hate someone based on the color of their skin (or clothing, or whatever it is that signals someone is a muslam or arab) then guess what. DON'T.
Period. no excuses, no "after proof". Step up.
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B wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
B wrote:
As a man with several close Arabic friends, I'm offended.
Methinks you have a small dick.
As a man with large dick, I'm offended.
Doubtful.
No man with a large dick would be offended by a show of true patriotism and valor. All you small dick men must hate America.
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
shades-go-down wrote:
B wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
B wrote:
As a man with several close Arabic friends, I'm offended.
Methinks you have a small dick.
As a man with large dick, I'm offended.
Doubtful.
No man with a large dick would be offended by a show of true patriotism and valor. All you small dick men must hate America.
I feel no need to spew ignorant pseudo-patriotic babble in order to fluff up my self-image.
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Already in Love wrote:
so pointless.
I suppose we should demand of every individual we encounter that they prove they are not a drunk-driver, child molester, drug traffiker, purse-snatcher, rapist, killer, etc.
because certainly these things are more common than "terrorist" and you cant differentiate them from the average joe (or jane) either.
if you don't want to hate someone based on the color of their skin (or clothing, or whatever it is that signals someone is a muslam or arab) then guess what. DON'T.
Period. no excuses, no "after proof". Step up.
You're so much better at this forum than I am.
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Lukin wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Hatred couched in kind words from an email forward. Thank you for gracing us with this post, and all the work you put into cutting and pasting it.
Shut your pie hole, it's in quotes Chester and I have no idea who wrote it. I think it's interesting read, that's why its here.
If you didn't want discussion on it, you shouldn't have posted it. BTW, the sentiment here seems to be unanimous.
Also, I know you quoted it. I know you used quote marks. I now also know, as I previously suspected, that you have no idea who wrote it. Not terribly wise to quote an unknown source.
Besides, you can't get away from the fear and bigotry expressed in the text.
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punkdavid wrote:
If you didn't want discussion on it, you shouldn't have posted it. BTW, the sentiment here seems to be unanimous.
Also, I know you quoted it. I know you used quote marks. I now also know, as I previously suspected, that you have no idea who wrote it. Not terribly wise to quote an unknown source.
Besides, you can't get away from the fear and bigotry expressed in the text.
You win
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Eddie Vedder wrote:
I mean I dare you to sing Black and not feel it. I dare you.
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Peeps wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Besides, you can't get away from the fear and bigotry expressed in the text.
same thing can be said for every anti-religious post made in this forum
funny how that works
I've said this before and I stand by it. One's beliefs are FAIR GAME for attack as much as one's clothes are. One's ethnicity is NOT. Simple distinction.
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