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Bomb Jerusalem. No, really, hear me out.

Those of you with siblings: can you ever remember a time you and your brother/sister were fighting over the same toy, and a parent said they'd settle it by taking the toy away, leaving neither of you with it? Same concept here. Turn both side's holy city into one big smoking holy crater. Give advanced warning to get as many people out as possible. However, if someone decides to stay behind as an act of martyrdom or devotion, that's their choice. I'm not saying the US should do this, because it would only cause more problems. We'd need an outside, neutral party: Switzerland. An ideal situation would call from an even farther removed source, which I think a fake alien attack would do quite well. We can call it Project Ozymandiaz.

With any luck, the deeply religious on either side would insist it was the rapture, and stop going on about silly superstition for good, knowing that they had been judged.

And then, world peace.


It'd be a terrible loss of history, and I'd really regret it in that sense. However, history doesn't do you much good if a bunch of assholes are trying to make sure we have no future.


lets face it: there you can't work out a peace deal if each side sees the other as inferior. The real fucking tragedy of this post is that the deathtoll would likely be lower than if things coninue the way they are. And that's enough to make me pretty damn depressed.
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With any luck, the deeply religious on either side would insist it was the rapture, and stop going on about silly superstition for good, knowing that they had been judged.


What does the rapture have anything to do with islam or judaism?


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We can call it Project Ozymandiaz.


Watchman fan? 8)

Anyway, it wouldn't work. These countries- these peoples have been fighting for literally thousands of years. It's no longer a land issue- or a holy land issue even. It's something they've (imo anyway) hadc ingrained into them for generations.

Getting rid of the object of hate and problems for them isn't going to stop them from hating each other, it's just going to move their hatred to some new target about the other.

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I didn't mean rapute in the christian sense, I just couldn't come up with a way to express the idea I was going for other than that. But if an entire city was destoyed intantly (via the alien attack idea), it's a sure thing that the deeply religious would assume it was an acto of god.

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Wouldn't work.

The LAND of Jeruselum would still be there. They would fight over the dirt. It's not the city itself.

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Getting rid of the object of hate and problems for them isn't going to stop them from hating each other, it's just going to move their hatred to some new target about the other.


Then we Project Ozymandiaz running, and blowing up said targets until all they've got left is each other.

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Wouldn't work.

The LAND of Jeruselum would still be there. They would fight over the dirt. It's not the city itself.


Irradiate it then. if they feel the dirt is enough to die a slow, painful death, than they can.

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Plastic Soul wrote:
malice wrote:
Getting rid of the object of hate and problems for them isn't going to stop them from hating each other, it's just going to move their hatred to some new target about the other.


Then we Project Ozymandiaz running, and blowing up said targets until all they've got left is each other.


see that's the thing, though. It's not the places- it's a culture.

Why do you think the Irish and the English are still at it after all this time? It's about the culture each generation is brought up with. I don't know how that kind of change gets made, honestly, I don't think it's a one step solution, I think it takes a long time, and it takes a LOT of people with a sincere desire to change- I just don't see that happening very often.

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Plastic Soul wrote:
I didn't mean rapute in the christian sense, I just couldn't come up with a way to express the idea I was going for other than that. But if an entire city was destoyed intantly (via the alien attack idea), it's a sure thing that the deeply religious would assume it was an acto of god.


Overall, Israelis are pretty secular. Much more secular than jews in north america. They wouldnt see it as an act of god.


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Plastic Soul wrote:
I didn't mean rapute in the christian sense, I just couldn't come up with a way to express the idea I was going for other than that. But if an entire city was destoyed intantly (via the alien attack idea), it's a sure thing that the deeply religious would assume it was an acto of god.


Overall, Israelis are pretty secular. Much more secular than jews in north america. They wouldnt see it as an act of god.


that's where my early warning idea comes into play. Anyone with any sense will get the fuck out beore it goes down.

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Haha. This thread is funny.

Let's turn Jerusalem into a radioactive wasteland!! That will solve all the problems in the middle east!

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Haha. This thread is funny.

Let's turn Jerusalem into a radioactive wasteland!! That will solve all the problems in the middle east!

:D

It's not like I'm pushing a serious idea here. I just needed to vent a bit.


I did just have a weird little realization, though: if I were superman, i'd totally be a fascist. 'Stop killing each other, or I'll stop you' sort of thing. Which is odd, since I lean about as far left as I can without falling over.

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Plastic Soul wrote:
I did just have a weird little realization, though: if I were superman, i'd totally be a fascist. 'Stop killing each other, or I'll stop you' sort of thing. Which is odd, since I lean about as far left as I can without falling over.


I do believe someone wrote a book where he was a communist.


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 Post subject: Re: The Plastic Soul Middle East Peace Solution
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Plastic Soul wrote:
Bomb Jerusalem. No, really, hear me out.

Those of you with siblings: can you ever remember a time you and your brother/sister were fighting over the same toy, and a parent said they'd settle it by taking the toy away, leaving neither of you with it? Same concept here. Turn both side's holy city into one big smoking holy crater. Give advanced warning to get as many people out as possible. However, if someone decides to stay behind as an act of martyrdom or devotion, that's their choice. I'm not saying the US should do this, because it would only cause more problems. We'd need an outside, neutral party: Switzerland. An ideal situation would call from an even farther removed source, which I think a fake alien attack would do quite well. We can call it Project Ozymandiaz.

With any luck, the deeply religious on either side would insist it was the rapture, and stop going on about silly superstition for good, knowing that they had been judged.

And then, world peace.


It'd be a terrible loss of history, and I'd really regret it in that sense. However, history doesn't do you much good if a bunch of assholes are trying to make sure we have no future.


lets face it: there you can't work out a peace deal if each side sees the other as inferior. The real fucking tragedy of this post is that the deathtoll would likely be lower than if things coninue the way they are. And that's enough to make me pretty damn depressed.
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Hmmm you're missing a few other dilemmas between them, but nice try ;)


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Beat you to it, my friend.

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I'm about to argue for bombing the entire fucking region myself.

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I'm about to argue for bombing the entire fucking region myself.

Get in line.

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How wonderful your solutions all sound in theory.

Bombing Jerusalem, or indeed any other place in the region as a solution to the myriad of problems there is stark raving crazy talk that conveniently absolves you of having to think about the situation any further dispassionately.

There are solutions. Plenty in fact. They just won't result in peace overnight. And they won't result in any one party getting all the glory for having made it happen.

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 Post subject: Re: The Plastic Soul Middle East Peace Solution
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Plastic Soul wrote:
With any luck, the deeply religious on either side would insist it was the rapture, and stop going on about silly superstition for good, knowing that they had been judged.


What does the rapture have anything to do with islam or judaism?


because rapture is also part of these religions.

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Plastic Soul wrote:
With any luck, the deeply religious on either side would insist it was the rapture, and stop going on about silly superstition for good, knowing that they had been judged.


What does the rapture have anything to do with islam or judaism?


because rapture is also part of these religions.

Wrong. No rapture in Judaism. Can't speak for Islam.

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