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 Post subject: EO Allowing Torture in Iraq OKed
PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:35 pm 
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A document released for the first time today by the American Civil Liberties Union suggests that President Bush issued an Executive Order authorizing the use of inhumane interrogation methods against detainees in Iraq. Also released by the ACLU today are a slew of other records including a December 2003 FBI e-mail that characterizes methods used by the Defense Department as "torture" and a June 2004 "Urgent Report" to the Director of the FBI that raises concerns that abuse of detainees is being covered up.

The two-page e-mail that references an Executive Order states that the President directly authorized interrogation techniques including sleep deprivation, stress positions, the use of military dogs, and "sensory deprivation through the use of hoods, etc." The ACLU is urging the White House to confirm or deny the existence of such an order and immediately to release the order if it exists. The FBI e-mail, which was sent in May 2004 from "On Scene Commander--Baghdad" to a handful of senior FBI officials, notes that the FBI has prohibited its agents from employing the techniques that the President is said to have authorized.

Another e-mail, dated December 2003, describes an incident in which Defense Department interrogators at Guantánamo Bay impersonated FBI agents while using "torture techniques" against a detainee. The e-mail concludes "If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done [sic] the ‘FBI’ interrogators. The FBI will [sic] left holding the bag before the public."

The document also says that no "intelligence of a threat neutralization nature" was garnered by the "FBI" interrogation, and that the FBI’s Criminal Investigation Task Force (CITF) believes that the Defense Department’s actions have destroyed any chance of prosecuting the detainee. The e-mail’s author writes that he or she is documenting the incident "in order to protect the FBI."

"The methods that the Defense Department has adopted are illegal, immoral, and counterproductive," said ACLU staff attorney Jameel Jaffer. "It is astounding that these methods appear to have been adopted as a matter of policy by the highest levels of government."

The June 2004 "Urgent Report" addressed to the FBI Director is heavily redacted. The legible portions of the document appear to describe an account given to the FBI’s Sacramento Field Office by an FBI agent who had "observed numerous physical abuse incidents of Iraqi civilian detainees," including "strangulation, beatings, [and] placement of lit cigarettes into the detainees ear openings." The document states that "[redacted] was providing this account to the FBI based on his knowledge that [redacted] were engaged in a cover-up of these abuses."

The release of these documents follows a federal court order that directed government agencies to comply with a year-old request under the Freedom of Information Act filed by the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, Physicians for Human Rights, Veterans for Common Sense and Veterans for Peace. The New York Civil Liberties Union is co-counsel in the case.

Other documents released by the ACLU today include:

* An FBI email regarding DOD personnel impersonating FBI officials during interrogations. The e-mail refers to a "ruse" and notes that "all of those [techniques] used in these scenarios" were approved by the Deputy Secretary of Defense. (Jan. 21, 2004)

* Another FBI agent’s account of interrogations at Guantánamo in which detainees were shackled hand and foot in a fetal position on the floor. The agent states that the detainees were kept in that position for 18 to 24 hours at a time and most had "urinated or defacated [sic]" on themselves. On one occasion, the agent reports having seen a detainee left in an unventilated, non-air conditioned room at a temperature "probably well over a hundred degrees." The agent notes: "The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own hair out throughout the night." (Aug. 2, 2004)

* An e-mail stating that an Army lawyer "worked hard to cwrite [sic] a legal justification for the type of interrogations they (the Army) want to conduct" at Guantánamo Bay. (Dec. 9, 2002)

* An e-mail noting the initiation of an FBI investigation into the alleged rape of a juvenile male detainee at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. (July 28, 2004)

* An FBI agent’s account of an interrogation at Guantánamo - an interrogation apparently conducted by Defense Department personnel - in which a detainee was wrapped in an Israeli flag and bombarded with loud music and strobe lights. (July 30, 2004)
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See, in my mind, if your president orders that, you fire him.

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vacatetheword wrote:
See, in my mind, if your president orders that, you fire him.


I think many Americans used to feel the same way, except now most of us have been scared into believing that this is the only way to protect ourselves from the evildoers.

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ElPhantasmo wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
See, in my mind, if your president orders that, you fire him.


I think many Americans used to feel the same way, except now most of us have been scared into believing that this is the only way to protect ourselves from the evildoers.

You're all fucked, I hope you don't drag us down with you *flees burning ship*

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You're all fucked


Hey, at least we're not Australian though! I think Australia is the the US what Creed is to Pearl Jam. :lol:

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ElPhantasmo wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
You're all fucked


Hey, at least we're not Australian though! I think Australia is the the US what Creed is to Pearl Jam. :lol:

:shock: :x Um, no. You've got that around the wrong way. Sure, our leader abides in yours' arse, but that is where the comparison ends.
We have seperation of church and state, at least for the time being we do.

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vacatetheword wrote:
ElPhantasmo wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
You're all fucked


Hey, at least we're not Australian though! I think Australia is the the US what Creed is to Pearl Jam. :lol:

:shock: :x Um, no. You've got that around the wrong way. Sure, our leader abides in yours' arse, but that is where the comparison ends.
We have seperation of church and state, at least for the time being we do.

you also have a queen.

and *separation


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davo15 wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
ElPhantasmo wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
You're all fucked


Hey, at least we're not Australian though! I think Australia is the the US what Creed is to Pearl Jam. :lol:

:shock: :x Um, no. You've got that around the wrong way. Sure, our leader abides in yours' arse, but that is where the comparison ends.
We have seperation of church and state, at least for the time being we do.

you also have a queen.

and *separation

She only thinks she's our queen.

How do you know that's not how we spell it? Like 'colour'?

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vacatetheword wrote:
See, in my mind, if your president orders that, you fire him.


yours and mine, sistah. lets start the revolution...

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macjunkie wrote:
vacatetheword wrote:
See, in my mind, if your president orders that, you fire him.


yours and mine, sistah. lets start the revolution...


Let's get off this, and get on with it
If you wanna change the world,
shut your mouth and start to spin it
Get off this
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