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Conservative students sue over academic freedom



(AP) — At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.

In Colorado and Indiana, a national conservative group publicizes student allegations of left-wing bias by professors. Faculty get hate mail and are pictured in mock "wanted" posters; at least one college says a teacher received a death threat.

And at Columbia University in New York, a documentary film alleging that teachers intimidate students who support Israel draws the attention of administrators.

The three episodes differ in important ways, but all touch on an issue of growing prominence on college campuses.

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Traditionally, clashes over academic freedom have pitted politicians or administrators against instructors who wanted to express their opinions and teach as they saw fit. But increasingly, it is students who are invoking academic freedom, claiming biased professors are violating their right to a classroom free from indoctrination.

In many ways, the trend echoes past campus conflicts -- but turns them around. Once, it was liberal campus activists who cited the importance of "diversity" in pressing their agendas for curriculum change. Now, conservatives have adopted much of the same language in calling for a greater openness to their viewpoints.

Similarly, academic freedom guidelines have traditionally been cited to protect left-leaning students from punishment for disagreeing with teachers about such issues as American neutrality before World War II and U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Now, those same guidelines are being invoked by conservative students who support the war in Iraq.

To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught.

"Even the most contentious or disaffected of students in the '60s or early '70s never really pressed this kind of issue," said Robert O'Neil, former president of the University of Virginia and now director of the Thomas Jefferson Center for the Protection of Free Expression.

Those behind the trend call it an antidote to the overwhelming liberal dominance of university faculties. But many educators, while agreeing students should never feel bullied, worry that they just want to avoid exposure to ideas that challenge their core beliefs -- an essential part of education.

Some also fear teachers will shy away from sensitive topics, or fend off criticism by "balancing" their syllabuses with opposing viewpoints, even if they represent inferior scholarship.

"Faculty retrench. They are less willing to discuss contemporary problems and I think everyone loses out," said Joe Losco, a professor of political science at Ball State University in Indiana who has supported two colleagues targeted for alleged bias. "It puts a chill in the air."

Conservatives say a chill is in order.

A recent study by Santa Clara University researcher Daniel Klein estimated that among social science and humanities faculty members nationwide, Democrats outnumber Republicans by at least seven to one; in some fields it's as high as 30 to one. And in the last election, the two employers whose workers contributed the most to Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign were the University of California system and Harvard University.

Many teachers insist personal politics don't affect teaching. But in a recent survey of students at 50 top schools by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a group that has argued there is too little intellectual diversity on campuses, 49 percent reported at least some professors frequently commented on politics in class even if it was outside the subject matter.

Thirty-one percent said they felt there were some courses in which they needed to agree with a professor's political or social views to get a good grade.

Leading the movement is the group Students for Academic Freedom, with chapters on 135 campuses and close ties to David Horowitz, a one-time liberal campus activist turned conservative agitator. The group posts student complaints on its Web site about alleged episodes of grading bias and unbalanced, anti-American propaganda by professors -- often in classes, such as literature, in which it's off-topic.

Instructors "need to make students aware of the spectrum of scholarly opinion," Horowitz said. "You can't get a good education if you're only getting half the story."

Conservatives claim they are discouraged from expressing their views in class, and are even blackballed from graduate school slots and jobs.

"I feel like (faculty) are so disconnected from students that they do these things and they can just get away with them," said Kris Wampler, who recently publicly identified himself as one of the students who sued the University of North Carolina. Now a junior, he objected when all incoming students were assigned to read a book about the Quran before they got to campus.

"A lot of students feel like they're being discriminated against," he said.

So far, his and other efforts are having mixed results. At UNC, the students lost their legal case, but the university no longer uses the word "required" in describing the reading program for incoming students (the plaintiffs' main objection).

In Colorado, conservatives withdrew a legislative proposal for an "academic bill of rights" backed by Horowitz, but only after state universities agreed to adopt its principles.

At Ball State, the school's provost sided with Professor George Wolfe after a student published complaints about Wolfe's peace studies course, but the episode has attracted local attention. Horowitz and backers of the academic bill of rights plan to introduce it in the Indiana legislature -- as well as in up to 20 other states.

At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him by asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students complaints.

In the wider debate, both sides cite the guidelines on academic freedom first set out in 1915 by the American Association of University Professors.

The objecting students emphasize the portion calling on teachers to "set forth justly ... the divergent opinions of other investigators." But many teachers note the guidelines also say instructors need not "hide (their) own opinions under a mountain of equivocal verbiage," and that their job is teaching students "to think for themselves."

Horowitz believes the AAUP, which opposes his bill of rights, and liberals in general are now the establishment and have abandoned their commitment to real diversity and student rights.

But critics say Horowitz is pushing a political agenda, not an academic one.

"It's often phrased in the language of academic freedom. That's what's so strange about it," said Ellen Schrecker, a Yeshiva University historian who has written about academic freedom during the McCarthy area. "What they're saying is, 'We want people to reflect our point of view."'

Horowitz's critics also insist his campaign is getting more attention than it deserves, riling conservative bloggers but attracting little alarm from most students. They insist even most liberal professors give fair grades to conservative students who work hard and support their arguments.

Often, the facts of particular cases are disputed. At Ball State, senior Brett Mock published a detailed account accusing Wolfe of anti-Americanism in a peace studies class and of refusing to tolerate the view that the U.S. invasion of Iraq might have been justified. In a telephone interview, Wolfe vigorously disputed Mock's allegations. He provided copies of a letter of support from other students in the class, and from the provost saying she had found nothing wrong with the course.

Horowitz, who has also criticized Ball State's program, had little sympathy when asked if Wolfe deserved to get hate e-mails from strangers.

"These people are such sissies," he said. "I get hate mail every single day. What can I do about it? It's called the Internet."

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Here is the the difference between the past and this horseshit:

"To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught."

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Here is the the difference between the past and this horseshit:

"To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught."

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Yes, that's exactly what it is. That's why Colorado universities adopted the students bill of rights. :roll:

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punkdavid wrote:
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Here is the the difference between the past and this horseshit:

"To many professors, there's a new and deeply troubling aspect to this latest chapter in the debate over academic freedom: students trying to dictate what they don't want to be taught."

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Yes, that's exactly what it is. That's why Colorado universities adopted the students bill of rights. :roll:


So tell me Doll, what does the students bill of rights that the Colorado universites adopted under pressure from the state legislature say, and what practical changes will it affect?

You do see my point though? There is a difference between protesting that a higher power, be it professors, administrators, or government is prohibiting certain ideas from being taught and this, which is students protesting that the higher power SHOULD be prohibited from teaching certain ideas to the students. This is a HUGE academic difference.

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Whatever happened to the days when a book that had questionable material was offered, but also had alternative and equivalent assignments for those who had objections to the material? I mean, this works for language arts primarily, but honestly, why can't it be done?

Why are Christians also sue happy? I just don't understand why they don't get the Jesus part of Christianity in all of this.

God, I realize there are some who aren't Christian. That's okay. It's not my place to judge. I can express myself and testify to my experiences, but the moment where I take away someone else's rights to express themselves in a civil manner, that's when I'm fulfilling Satan's duties.

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 Post subject: Re: Conservative students sue over academic freedom
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At Columbia, anguished debate followed the screening of a film by an advocacy group called The David Project that alleges some faculty violate students' rights by using the classroom as a platform for anti-Israeli political propaganda (one Israeli student claims a professor taunted him by asking, "How many Palestinians did you kill?"). Administrators responded this month by setting up a new committee to investigate students complaints.

I concur with PD. But this case here, yeah, innocent until proven guilty and all that, that's a pretty big claim to make. Seems to me the authorities are responding as appropriate.

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I knew this was coming, from a Millian perspective it was inevitable.

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A Christian complaining that they shouldn't have to read a book upsets their beliefs is as rediculous and unimpressive as an atheist complaining that they are being exposed to things that upset their beliefs.

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this world has gone mad. completely nuts :roll: i tell ya...

i wonder if the kids really believe their entire world is being crushed by these teachers? or maybe their parents are jumping in and see an opportunity to take advantage of this situation with the way the culture is nowadays...

and what the fuck...

why do BOTH sides think the whole country is out to get them?
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There is ample opportunity for these students to see what the cirriculum at a university is before they enroll. Why go to one that you feel doesn't fit your needs? There are others, there's Robert Morris U for assholes like this.


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It should come as no surprise that smart people lean to the left. :D


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There is ample opportunity for these students to see what the cirriculum at a university is before they enroll. Why go to one that you feel doesn't fit your needs?

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Im actually starting to enjoy the humor in how the left and right have, after giving it a greal deal of thought, both decided to combat ignorance and intolerance with a greater degree of ignorance and intolerance while preaching compassion. Only in America.

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If you're in college, you're usually over the age of 18 right?

Then fucking suck it up. If you don't like what they're teaching, change your courses or get the fuck over it.

You can't expect to learn from someone if you're telling them what to teach you.

What a pile of horseshit.

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Again, a group of people that feel they are owed money because they were subjected to something they disagree with. Guess what, fuckers? Welcome to the real world. :roll:

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(AP) — At the University of North Carolina, three incoming freshmen sue over a reading assignment they say offends their Christian beliefs.


I'd like to see a copy of their statement of claim. You can't sue for "damages", without there being "damage". It's one of the most fundamental tenets of civil law. Where's the damage here? Denial of the right to a conservative education?

This won't even make it past the pre-trial procedures.

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I dont see what the big deal is, i didnt complain when i used to have to read books in history class that sighted religion because it offends my atheist beliefs.


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Again, a group of people that feel they are owed money because they were subjected to something they disagree with. Guess what, fuckers? Welcome to the real world. :roll:


Right on man :lol:


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It should come as no surprise that smart people lean to the left. :D


Ka-Ching! It is definitely true that conservative scholars (oxymoron?) are overwhelmingly outnumbered in the academic sphere. Why is that? I think you answered the question just fine.

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petemd wrote:
It should come as no surprise that smart people lean to the left. :D


Ka-Ching! It is definitely true that conservative scholars (oxymoron?) are overwhelmingly outnumbered in the academic sphere. Why is that? I think you answered the question just fine.


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