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Indonesia Sentences Four Aussies to Death Over Drugs

Wednesday, September 06, 2006

JAKARTA, Indonesia — An Indonesian appeals court has sentenced four Australian members of a drug smuggling ring to death, prompting a protest from the Australian government, officials said Wednesday.

But the court spared the lives of two other Australians, sentencing them to life in prison.

The fate of the men — part of a trafficking ring dubbed the "Bali Nine" by the media — has been followed closely in Australia, which does not have a death penalty. If carried out, the death sentences could strain ties between the two countries.

"We are grateful that the Indonesians are being tough on drugs. It's just that we don't support capital punishment," said Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. "We will, at the appropriate time, support appeals for clemency."

The four men now facing death — Scott Rush, Tan Duc Than Nguyen, Si Yi Chen and Matthew Norman — originally received life terms for trying to take home more than 18 pounds of heroin from Indonesia's resort island of Bali last year.

The cases have wound through the judicial system since the original convictions, with defense attorneys and prosecutors both appealing. The first round of appeals saw Rush's life sentence upheld, while Nguyen, Chen and Norman's punishments were cut to 20 years.

Rush appealed his verdict to the Supreme Court, while prosecutors asked judges to reinstate the original sentences of the others.

However, the Supreme Court ruled last month that all four would face the firing squad, said Mulyadi, a court official who attended the hearings. No reason was given for the decision.

Zarof Ricard, another Supreme Court official, said two other convicted drug smugglers — Michael Czugaj and Martin Stephens — had been sentenced to life imprisonment.

Lawyers for the men said they had yet to be informed of the verdict.

The men, aged 19 to 23, were arrested with five other Australians in April 2005, some at Bali's airport with heroin taped to their bodies and others in a hotel room purportedly plotting another shipment.

The two ringleaders — Andrew Chan, 22, and Myuran Sukumaran, 25 — are already facing death.

The final member of the "Bali Nine," Renae Lawrence, decided against challenging her 20-year sentence, which was reduced from life on appeal.

Australia's drug laws are more liberal than those in most Asian nations, and its government routinely asks that death sentences imposed on its citizens by foreign courts be commuted to time in prison. It is unlikely to take any steps in this case until the legal process is complete.

The Supreme Court's director of crime, Zarof Richard, said the four men had the right to file a final appeal known as a judicial review. If that fails, they could seek a presidential pardon, but that would require an admission of guilt.

Indonesia often sentences drug smugglers — both foreign and local — to death. There are about 65 people awaiting execution in Indonesia, many of them Africans or Asians convicted of drug trafficking.

The country last executed drug smugglers in 2004 — an Indian man and two Thai women.

The government is under pressure to crack down on rampant illegal drug use that kills scores of young, mostly poor people each year.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
The government is under pressure to crack down on rampant illegal drug use that kills scores of young, mostly poor people each year.


this seems like an interesting instance of it being used in the scenario of drugs.

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They appealed their jail sentences, and got the death penalty instead.

Wonder what will happen if they appeal their death sentences?

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No one deserves death. Especially not stupid kids betrayed by their own country.

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shades-go-down wrote:
No one deserves death. Especially not stupid kids betrayed by their own country.


Uh, they tried to smuggle drugs in from a country that obviously had the death penalty if you get caught. They got caught, they have to face the consequences. I don't see how their country betrayed them :?:

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JimNasium wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
No one deserves death. Especially not stupid kids betrayed by their own country.


Uh, they tried to smuggle drugs in from a country that obviously had the death penalty if you get caught. They got caught, they have to face the consequences. I don't see how their country betrayed them :?:

The Australian Federal Police did all the investigation work, and knew when they made the trip out to Indonesia about what they were up to. Could easily have spared the lives and arrested them when they're on Australian soil. Instead, they passed the info on, knowing full well what will happen.

That's how they were betrayed.

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Hinny wrote:
JimNasium wrote:
shades-go-down wrote:
No one deserves death. Especially not stupid kids betrayed by their own country.


Uh, they tried to smuggle drugs in from a country that obviously had the death penalty if you get caught. They got caught, they have to face the consequences. I don't see how their country betrayed them :?:

The Australian Federal Police did all the investigation work, and knew when they made the trip out to Indonesia about what they were up to. Could easily have spared the lives and arrested them when they're on Australian soil. Instead, they passed the info on, knowing full well what will happen.

That's how they were betrayed.


with everyone and their mother complaining about government interference in their life, this should be a good lesson :)

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If only America adopted such hard drug laws...

*ponders*

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LittleWing wrote:
If only America adopted such hard drug laws...

*ponders*


The kiddies will live happily ever after?

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listen, i'm against the death penalty. but i can accept it exists in our current society. and it's interesting to see the way in which it's used -- especially, especially in the case of the drug war.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
listen, i'm against the death penalty. but i can accept it exists in our current society. and it's interesting to see the way in which it's used -- especially, especially in the case of the drug war.


What i find interesting is that they were smuggling it out of Indonesia, right? The death penalty seems a bit extreme for taking drugs out of your country. It's not like seizing that much heroin saved the lives of any Indonesian citizens.


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MF wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
listen, i'm against the death penalty. but i can accept it exists in our current society. and it's interesting to see the way in which it's used -- especially, especially in the case of the drug war.


What i find interesting is that they were smuggling it out of Indonesia, right? The death penalty seems a bit extreme for taking drugs out of your country. It's not like seizing that much heroin saved the lives of any Indonesian citizens.


i think the bigger point is, if your are going to travel to another country, you should aquaint yourself to its laws and then weight the pros and cons if you re thinking about breaking one of said laws

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Everyone needs to watch Midnight Express. These guys are retards. I would smuggle heroin ANYWHERE but Southeast Asia.

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Orpheus wrote:
Everyone needs to watch Midnight Express. These guys are retards. I would smuggle heroin ANYWHERE but Southeast Asia.

Midnight Express was in Turkey.

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punkdavid wrote:
Orpheus wrote:
Everyone needs to watch Midnight Express. These guys are retards. I would smuggle heroin ANYWHERE but Southeast Asia.

Midnight Express was in Turkey.


I know, but does it really matter? Avoid smuggling drugs anywhere in Asia then.

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Orpheus wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Orpheus wrote:
Everyone needs to watch Midnight Express. These guys are retards. I would smuggle heroin ANYWHERE but Southeast Asia.

Midnight Express was in Turkey.


I know, but does it really matter? Avoid smuggling drugs anywhere in Asia then.


how about you try to avoid it altogether?


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LittleWing wrote:
If only America adopted such hard drug laws...

*ponders*


We'd get to off a whole lot more people than we do now. Yes!

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